NatAmi 68070 design draft

[wawrzon]

bloodline, you are overly negative, just as biggun is too enthusiastic over the matter. look at this thread, some 50% of it are your posts, trying to convince people that something is impossible, i thing u could easily use this energy in some more constructive way. i believe, most people involved in amiga scene have got a clou about natami, but just keep quiet as long as anything is proven either way (at least me do).

as for selling rates of a complete amiga compatible system for  any 100eur not to mention 100$ (lol) it would surely exceed 10 pieces. just notice how much you pay for any old amiga hardware today. and dont mention minimig should have been a bigger succes as nobody sane actually needs replacement for original a500 i believe. well i have no need at least.

as for jens schoenfeld arguments, do not forget that he is working on a concurent design. the amiga-hardware designers scene here in germany and poland (e3b, elbox, ic) seems to takes no risks by supporting each other products, due to the little market i believe.
j.s. always underlines that clone_a would be cycle exact replacement for the amiga, but is an a4k (with a cyberstorm060/ppc) cycle exact with a a500? if it is probably natami aga chipset replacement is compatible too since there it was shown to public and there are snapshots of it running genuine amiga apps on the natami page.

[wawrzon]

@alexh: i dont mind taking part in debugging such a system if i could contribute in any way. honestly i would even buy a dev board for multiple of 100$ eventhough im not a progger. i paid lately 700eur for an a4k equipped with a csppc, and i do not regret. i think there are some more people like that if even a guide to build-it-yourself-ng-a1k-board is getting enough attention.

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@niklasni1:
sure, i follow that forum, while not posting much. but who cares for overall iq level of regular amiga fans anymore.

edit: by the way even gunnar has never claimed natami is going to compare to a p4 whatsoever cpu-preformancewise. on the opposite: he tries to calm people making such assumptions down. so dont let u distract by kids

[wawrzon]

@bloodline: what kind of amiga compatible i need, you ask? accidentally just that kind the natami specs state, even up to genlocking (overlay) possibility, because that is what i tehnically use them mostly for. i wouldnt complain about some extra computing speed but thats not the primary issue for me. i can use pc for most computing tasks. up till now i mostly used amigas as simple, reliable, cheap, idiot-proof (no shutdown needed, just pull the power cord) controllers for my "video" installations.

i do not estimate too that every extra feature introduced to the amiga compatible will narrow the interested user base as long as it doesnt contradict an existing one. it even possibly  will become part of some future standard.

i sense you see no future for anything connected to amiga either way since you have already placed it in sentimental past and want to conserve this as such. im fine with it.

[wawrzon]

@bloodline: please, everybody has realized perfectly already that it doesnt pay to develop anything in any way resembling amiga. just let the people do things they like to do, cause nobodys life really depends on that so we have nothing to loose except of time

[wawrzon]

i admire efforts like minimig while they do not improve any technical possibilities of amiga, so i could use a cheap a500 instead. thats why a do not need a minimig but i would maybe need a natabi if it would ever become reality. period

[wawrzon]

@bloodline:

frankly, you actually never directly attacked the natami team, but you have accused the technical ideas behind the project to be a joke and insult to the name of amiga, while basing ur criticism mostly on statements made by so called "supporters". if i was a serious dev whose project is criticized like that, i would sure get nasty with u.

so called "amiga comunity" is full of infantile enthusiasts so if you regard urself as something better just do not waste ur time discussing their mistakes.

[wawrzon]

If you were a serious Dev, you would have a better understanding of the technical issues involved.

no im not a dev so i stand back on technical issues, but even as visual artist i rely on logic to the same extent as on feeling at least.

@atheist: please, thats reallly highly unrealistic, ur just confusing people. i think natami devs have already much more mature plans, as what to do with their research, so let them speak for themselves if u will.

[wawrzon]

@bloodline:
as far as i understood biggun if he ever spoke of asic, then only as an option in case some bigger company had an interest to use future natami-technik in a device like sort of pda. in that case something related to amiga technik might again appear on the market. whatever consequences it might have to amiga community i dare not foresee. the asic natami computers could be probably constructed to smaller quantities in this case, so to say "by the way".

edit: the failure of similar past ideas like setup boxes based on amiga-technology would indicate that one couldnt rely much on such possibility.

@atheist:
no 2000 people are going to gather around a risky project with uncertain outcome to donate each 500-1000$. face it. even a single sponsor is more likely

[wawrzon]

i do not know if natami60 is really already complete. methinks its just your guess again. i recall all i was told officially was, there is a working 030 prototype and that they are working to adopt an 060. i believe it when i see it, like i trust them to have 030 prototype cause they posted photos of it.

The NatAmi60 is made, and appeared to be bug free, and IS astounding (as I know it will be), ACube said; "we'll make this if 1,000 people are wiling to prepay $700 or 1500 are willing to prepay $600 for us to make a small run of computers."

How about then? We're basically kind of limited to that at the moment.

-exactly.

[wawrzon]

@bloodline: i do not exactly recall ur argument about the supermodel but why must she be german? you have kate moss in england urself.  by the way: back in gymnasium i had a blonde, sexy girlfriend that studied teoretical physics afterwards, i met her 2 weeks ago, shes a doctor in kosmology by now, y know, and she still seems to cheat on men. things happen.

[wawrzon]

gymnasium... i actually should say "liceum" thats what it is called. and she is polish just like me, although i live in berlin. but dont let us go ot too much:|)

[wawrzon]

shes too old for u anyway i suppose

[wawrzon]

you dont ask ladys things like that, she is polish anyway. so now im going afk, partytime.