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Re: Apple OSX
« on: July 21, 2003, 06:21:21 PM »
First of all, now I have to take you to task for not understanding international law.

Fair use laws are mostly an american concept, most european countries do not have fair use exemptions from copyright laws.  They do have some things, like the concept of 'personal use' that American do not have....but its different from 'fair use'

To the person who remembers Amax, that was before the DMCA.  The DMCA is, of course, an american law.

This license can be enforced.  The reason its not been in court  is because Moto, Power, Umax and all the clone makers went away. They didn't challenge it in court, they just accepted it.

AmigaONE is rather small and not on the radar, yet....but make no mistake, in America, this is illegal and european laws are also very strict on IP offenses...in some ways more strict, in some ways less.  They aren't exactly the same, but they are by no means lax.

Mac On Linux is not illegal, because Mac On Linux....hold onto your hats, RUNS ON REAL MACS.

99% of all people using MOL use it on their Apple branded hardware.  Its only the tiniest of fraction of people who own AmigaOne's to run Linux, as compared to people who own real mac's.  MOL since it is chiefly used in a legal way, is a legal product.

But when you put MOL on non-apple hardware, that is when the EULA is violated.

Plus don't forget, everything you are suggesting is fine for using Mac OS X means that you can do the same thing with Amiga OS 4.

Run Amiga OS 4 on a pegasos if you want...at least according to this logic.  I don't agree with the logic, but no one has yet said a thing to distinguish Mac OS X and Amiga OS 4, if you can copy one, you can copy the other..

 

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Re: Apple OSX
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2003, 07:10:25 PM »
Uhm Xeron, you aren't going to get it on there without copying it.

Or using the installer, which will copy over the necessary bits to get it on your machine.

You are doing so without a license.  The license is for apple-branded machines, so you would be copying it to your non-apple machine without a license.

The question here, is some maintain, that they can write their own license in their country...an untrue statement.

But nevertheless, if you'll pay attention, that is the discussion.
 

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Re: Apple OSX
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2003, 07:17:28 PM »
You bought a restricted license to install this on apple branded hardware.

You did not buy a product.

It says right on the EULA, the UK Eula to help you europeans take it more seriously...its says, this is a license, not a product.

The question is, when you buy a license to use a piece of software on apple branded hardware, can you grant yourself a license to use it on any hardware, can you grant yourself  a server licence, can you grant yourself multiple licenses...just what can you grant yourself without any agreement on Apple's part?

Answer: nothing, you can buy it, or choose not to buy it.

But you all are repeating yourselves over and over again...I bought the CD......you all don't get it, thats just the media...its not what you are buying....

but what else can I say on that?  nothing.  You believe in piracy, and you have a few non-intellectual types of arguments to cover it in a very thin veil of legitimacy, but nothing really hard and fast.

OH by the way

@Gaidheal....

In some countries you can marry your sister, what do I care?  In some countries female circumcision is the norm, is it right?

as far as your more recent points, I guess I just don't care.....sure piracy is legal in some countries, I'll give you that without even checking....it's not an intellectual defense of piracy.

As for Apple being special...UHMM you haven't gotten me quite yet.  I don't think they are special at all, and i don't care about apple.

I just want all the Amiga, Inc fanzoids to admit they
pirate Mac OS X, and they are going to pirate OS 4
as well.

It will serve certain companies right, as they promote piracy of everyone' elses software but
their own.

 

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Re: Apple OSX
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2003, 07:22:26 PM »
@Xeron

Most people aren't very bright.  It's another logical fallacy, to hope if most people agree with you that makes it OK.

When you buy a limited use license, you are not buying a product.  If most people don't understand that, then most people are wrong.

You can't ignore the EULA, because the EULA is the *ENTIRITY OF WHAT YOU PURCHASED*

you purchased a license, so how can the license not be important?

 

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Re: Apple OSX
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2003, 09:17:33 PM »
@Gadhail,

Your constant repition does nothing to make your point.  You accepted a license that stated you would use the software on apple branded hardware, and then you broke your word.

You are a liar.  A dishonest person.

If you think its legal, you are wrong, but beyond the fact that its illegal, it goes to integrity.

Your word is worthless.  You don't hold your contracts.  there is no moral compass within you, that guides your actions beyond what you believe you can get away with...if you don't get caught, you'll do it.

Anyone doing business with you, does so at their own risk.