Amiga osX

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@Ponos2d

yes I am exactly like all american's

@Gaidheal,

There is another debate mechanism called complex argument...its where a person brings up so much simultaneious BS, that the responder can't possibly hope to correct everything.

Congratulations, you succeeded with that tactic.

And you got me on another one....just one, but I admit it....there is no law on the moon so nothing is legal.  I was supposed to say its not illegal...dagnabit.

But anyway, most people understood what I meant, its not against the *law* anywhere where there is no law.....but just because something is not against the law, doesn't mean you can say its legal, my bad.

But your basic premise, still falls down and you completely ignore FACTS over and over again.

1. You purchase a license to use Mac OS X on apple branded hardware
2.  See above

There really isn't any point in you following me around from thread to thread acting like some kind of psycho...at least I'm only responding to the thread, what are you doing...are you actually offended by a thread on a BBS?  good grief.

yes, you are dishonest.  

A question was put to you when you installed the Apple Software:  Do you agree to the terms of this license?

You clicked:  Yes

But you don't agree.  The honest answer was: No

[MarkTime]

@Gadboy

I'm not offended, but I do think amiga.org members like to keep things in a specific thread, so the thread on MorphOS on AmigaONE shouldn't be for the piracy discussion.

It's just common etiquette, or can we dismiss with etiquette too because its not illegal where you live?

OK, as for what I'm about, *exactly*...its not a secret at all.  Fact is, I think its ridiculous for the Amiga Fan's to insist you can't copy OS 4, when they copy Mac OS X.

I said from the beginning, if you believe you can copy both....OS 4 and Mac OS X, then at least you are consistent and you have more of my respect.

I'm sorry you don't know the debate mechanism complex argument, and that some of the meanings of the word complex escape you, but I will refer everyone to www.dictionary.com to look up the meaning.  Or a standard debate text to look up another meaning for it.

Again, though you did manage to make one point about my use of the word 'legal' for the most part you are just bantering on, not really making much sense, and  trying to be insulting in kind of an adolescent way.

Eventually I will find this boring....sigh, such a shame.  Usually no one even tries to defend piracy, you are at least giving it your best, to bad your best isn't a little better :-)

[MarkTime]

Thanks GAG for that help, and also from Microsoft UK website:

Most people believe they own the actual software when they buy it. In fact, you're buying the 'licence to use' the software and NOT the software itself.

Things at Microsoft UK that they explain are illegal, or doing things like transferring pre-loaded software from one computer to another.  Microsoft's EULA actually prohibits moving software from the pre-loaded machine to another machine that you legally own.

This is UK copyright law, not the U.S.

and btw, despite popular belief in some ways the UK is more stringent than the U.S....this was especially true a few years ago, but since the DMCA, the U.S. has gotten really wicked mean in some areas...hey, I don't actually advocate the DMCA, just bearing the bad news about it.

Another thing for those who want to really read up about Europe's laws:

EU directive on IP

p.s.

for those who keep saying it unenforceable.
yes, you won't get caught.  Amiga OS 4's copy protection scheme also won't work.

The question is just for each individual, do you want to pirate or not?  I say, don't....but thats just me :-)

[MarkTime]

@Phoenix,

let me help you with your understanding.
You got the answer to your question, you are free to stop reading whenever you want.  I am not forcing you to continue to read this thread long after your question has been answered.

It is very telling about your character that you cannot stop yourself from reading but instead will call to the webmaster to have another person censored.

it is *absurd* to single me out for censorship, why didn't you call upon all parties to stop?

I'll answer that for you, you agree with the pirate Gadheal, and therefore you didn't see any need for him to stop.

Wayne is free to censor people for being anti-piracy if he wants.  He can turn this into a pirate board, if he wants.  But he won't.  He is anti-piracy too.
I don't speak for his opinions in this specific matter, of course, but despite popular opinion, breaking EULA's is both pirate activity, and quite frankly, shows a lack of character.

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@olegil

Your country sweden is not the WHOLE WORLD.
This is what many people have been trying to drill into this discussion.

There are many countries in the world, and in the vast majority of Europe and America, the idea that you can buy a service, license a product, is central to IP ownership.  You do not BUY OS X.  You buy a limited license to use OS X under certain restrictions.

And every country, including Sweden, has the ability to sell services.  Services are a valid concept in sweden.  You can buy a license in sweden.  Sweden is not simply restricted to only physical product sales.

Everytime I have checked out someone's story about 'their' country...presenting themselves as expert in order to make a point that they don't believe will be checked, they have been completely wrong.

The laws in UK were ENTIRELY misrepresented and completely false.....and I checked with  UK governmetn websites, the writings of EU on the subject (to check EU countries) and even Microsoft UK division.

I don't have time to check Sweden now to correct your errors, but nevertheless, its fine.  Sweden is just one country, and the vast majority of the EU and all of North America, you can sell a limited use license, and its how software is distributed.


@olegil

And btw, I am quite well aware that the pro-piracy europeans in this website will try the dirty tactic of being 'anit-american'...when they need to silence some opinion...'you american are all alike' has already been heard.

and your comment that american don't have freedom, another.

and the idea that 'I'm the expert on my country, and you can't say anything cause you aren't from here'

All, very *low-brow*, *dirty* debate tactics that you should be ashamed of....there really should be no place for bringing in nationalism and anti-american prejudice into this board.

I'll tell ya right out,  EUROPE IS NOT IN ANOTHER GALAXY.  

I can read spanish, russian and english, and while that doesn't cover the bajillion languages of europe, I'll tell ya right now, I will check UK government sites and EU sites to see what the law really says.

And the fact is, the guy from the UK was completely misrepresenting the law in the UK, and he just didn't think the 'american' was going to check.

I did.  He's wrong.  I've posted links.  I can post more.

EU in *general* and the UK, most definately do have software licensing agreements, and software is not distributed as physcal sales, but is sold, mostly, as limited use licenses.

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@Casper

LOL, my mistake, I apologize for confusing Sweden and Norway.

Is it too late to excuse this by way of saying, I'm from North America?

I was directing my coments at olegil and the country he is from, I did read your earlier comments, and I didn't add any further comment about them, because I thought they stood up well by themselves and were very informative.