OS4 Beta copy

[MarkTime]

You keep believing that lempkee....maybe it'll be true if you believe hard enough.

MOS is a good example why beta's should be widely distributed.  An even better example is linux.

But lets stick with MOS, without generating interest in their product, they wouldn't have any chance of competing at all....after all, they were the underdog that had to prove themselves.  Amiga, Inc. had all the cards...the mindshare, the name, the ip...if MOS had just been a little secret project, it would still be unknown.

Amiga, Inc. thinks they don't have to compete, but time will tell how much that arrogance hurts them.

a large beta test program advances the platform by getting the bugs out, number two it gives more people the chance to contribute, and three it gives everyone an idea about the status of the project.

AOS4 was not widely distributed in beta, because hyperions concern that it would be pirated, and furthermore, because it wasn't really in beta at all, it was in an alpha state that would have sent shivers of fear down everyone' spine if they had known just how incomplete it was.

Remember, throughout this long development process it has been 'nearly ready' the whole time.

Typically, you start a project where it is a long way from ready...where it is getting closer to being ready....where it is nearly ready....etc.

since this was 'any day now' for years....they had to hide its real state.

This jubilation over the latest paper features of OS 4 demonstrates what is exactly wrong with the AOS community right now.  Amiga delivers nothing except more promises, and whenever the community is a bit down about having nothing, all Amiga Inc has to do, is make another round of promises and everyone is jazzed up and A-OK and ready to wait longer.

'I don't care how long it takes, I'm happy!' was the mantra all day yesterday.

Happy about what, another announcement...and btw, whats this great feature you are getting now...oh yes, 2d graphics!!!!!!!  Wooo hooo, except you knew you were getting that all along...but what this does, is makes things easier for hyperion...WOW, good for them, glad their job is easier...what is that suppose to mean....true believers don't even understand the difference between what is important to THEM and what is important to the company....

I personally don't care how easy or hard it is for hyperion to implement 2d graphics...of course I expect 2d graphics, good GAWWWD.

I am so glad I've broken free from that cycle....
MorphOS is shipping its a real product....

[MarkTime]

I can understand why it would appear that MOS users are slamming AOS4 for their own benefit, or for mere sport....

but I think it is much more complicated than that.  I wanted Amiga, Inc. to succeed.  And if I slam them, its because they are such a huge disappointment to me, and that is irrespective of any MOS venture.  I was a big Amiga fan, for years.....

But it still isn't criticising them merely for sport....no I think we can look an announcement about 2d graphics support and think, well 2d graphics is not a *bad* thing, its hardly a surprise either....and just put it in perspective.  

BTW, I am only considering MorphOS, I can't actually buy even *THAT* just yet....hopefully that will change soon, but until it does...who knows.  One thing I can say for sure, is whatever someone tells me, I will tell the world....

As far as NDA's go, never done it, never will, thats not my thing.

[MarkTime]

@Lando

you can't read that much into a person's statement.

Hyperion already said there were 77 betatesters since last year...by your logic this program has been ready for a year.

Getting together betatesters and having a release product are two different things.  Remember a lot of the development was just new modules that could have run under OS 3.9 and on 68k amigas....

All we know is that its in some kind of incomplete state and they hope to release it someday.  Thats all that can be said, if Ben Hermans wants to say more, he can...he's been posting all day.

He hasn't said any such thing, and how do the true believers think they are benefiting anyone by suggesting things Hyperion never suggested???

[MarkTime]

The 68k emulator IS done. It's just not integrated yet.

68k emulators have been around for almost a decade, its the integration with OS 4, that *IS* the whole question here...and its the whole question for OS 4 too, everything else is just an update to modules a-la 3.5 and 3.9.....not saying those modules didn't need some updating....but this 68k engine is hugely important...they didn't port every module to PPC, so even if someone wanted to drop 68k support I don't think the OS would even run.