Latest G4's running at 1.43Hhz

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Eric_Z wrote:

by Helgis75 on 2003/1/28 17:45:23
Holly smoke! This is one hell of an interesting thread! Maybe Eyetech should make a 1.4Ghz G4 a possibility, too? And at a later date, better configurations to the AmigaOne-mobo, like Articia P with 4x AGP, PCI-X, DDR and 2MB L3-cache!!
Anyway, i would love to have a 1.4Ghz G4 in my A1G4XE!!! Yeah, that would be extremely cool!  

The only problem is that the Artica P isn't finished yet there aren't even engineering samples ready yet.
And last of all if enough people don't buy the current A1 thinking that there will be a A2 just around the corner... well guess.

Cool!  I like guessing games  :-D  :-D

Here is my guess, then we would all just have to buy a machine from a company that understands the computer market?  Maybe a pegasos, maybe an Apple....but someone who understands the continuous upgrade cycle?

Did I get close? ;-)

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samface wrote:

Will Apple allow Hyperion access to all the documents needed to write the drivers (or the HAL) for that machine?

When hell freezes over.

However, *maybe* taking a look at the Mac Linux kernel sources could be of help, but I seriously doubt this since they would still have the problem with ensuring the customer of interoperability with the hardware and we would also have the question of who the customer would turn to when running into hardware problems while running AmigaOS4. It's simply not feasible for a professional OS vendor to make official support for hardware they cannot guarantee interoperability with. We should also remember that this hardware is bundled with MacOSX, how many users are seriously willing to pay for another OS when their hardware already has one preinstalled?

The idea to clone their hardware and bundle it with AmigaOS4 is simply a so much better solution to the problem, don't you think? :-P

Why Linux....Darwin is open source and runs on Macs....[

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BeOS left the apple platform in the pre-OS X (pre open source Darwin) days....

things are different now.

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I almost criticized the paper launch of one of the high end model....but Apple usually comes through a month later with the product as announced.

Then again I remember the G4500 fiasco......

there has been a lot of speculation that Apple is 'clocking' these chips...but then again, if its with moto's permission then, its just a redefinition of the chips tolerance....

its all word's...but they don't really have 1.42 ghz chips for sale to other people, that much seems real.

Noone stopping someone from building a quad processor machine out of 1 ghz parts, if someone really wanted to clean apple's clock....

but, you won't get 1.42ghz chips for a while.

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How fast could they clock with an AthlonXP2800+/ Pentium 4@3Ghz class coolers on PPC G4s?

I agree wtih you, that as long as apple is warrantying the board, then from the customer perspective, its just fine.

Of course a complaint about the MDD mac's was they were extremely noisy from all the fans.  Apple has addressed that, and they say this round is much quieter...those G4's have heavy duty heat sinks already...and the G4 chips, are exposed chips, so the heatsink is place directly on top....

Moto, lists the current G4 as a 133FSB at 1 ghz.
But in the high end Mac's, they had 166FSB, which supposedly this processor doesn't support, but the math worked out good...25% increase on the FSB and subsequent 25% increase on the processor for 1.25ghz.

Who knows how they are squeezing out the last mhz in the 1.42ghz chip....

but According to moto's roadmap, the next chip is the G4 on a .13micron process with a Top speed of 1.3ghz....well...thats less than what apple is already selling...

So either moto's roadmap is way way off, or Apple is clocking these things, and they seemed commited to clocking the .13 micron chip as well, cause they are already beyond 1.3ghz!

Well, if they are reliable, and if Apple warranties them, and if the machine is quiet....and they say all these things are true....I don't see any problem at all.  But I wouldn't try to clock them further.

I have overclocked a G4 before, and they do have a bit of room....not as much as the old G3's...but usually you can get something, sometimes you need to up the voltage too.

I cannot see Amiga's beating apple on the high end though....in pure mhz...apple gets all the fast ppc's....but I wonder sometimes why a quad processor board isn't made....

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@Rogue,

Yes your post is a waste of time, because your customer support theories are just red herrings.

Fact is, if you plan to force someone to pay a $380 dollar premium and claim the reason is customer support when you have obligated yourself to provide exactly NO CUSTOMER SUPPORT,...it is beyond belief.

Customer support at any Amiga dealer or maker of software has been very very poor.  They don't even acknowledge problems, let alone fix them.

But tell you what, please correct me and explain all the customer support you will be contractually obligated to provide.

Tell us, sirrrrr



You are guaranteeing satisfaction or my money back?  You are guaranteeing if my old software doesn't run, you will spend 2 hours on the phone with me until it runs?  If I report a bug, you will fix it?

Or will it be catch as catch can, with you providing support if you feel like, or NOT.......

We all know the drill, you get a nasty e-mail from someone, you post it all over the amiga websites...you announce your dramatic withdrawal from the community and all support ends, and cause your not obligated to make one dimes worth of support, no one gets any...even if you were obligated, a-la $50 t-shirt, that might not happen either.

I value your support as being worth .01cents maximum.

Linux is free, it survives without any official support, but for companies who need more than that, they can go to Red Hat and purchase support.

If you want to sell support, you can do that.  noone will buy it, but feel free to try.

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@Rogue,

And one other thing!

I don't pull any punches with my criticism, but I hope you will understand my perspective, because it didn't come from no where, it is how things look to me, and maybe some other people too, who knows....

The fact is when you say things like 'I can't give information cause someone didn't like everything I said.'  or....why should I post cause Seehund might have his own opinions...

it doesn't make you sound like a rock solid stable personality that will always be there when someone needs support.

It sounds like to me like yet another of this communities very sensitive personalities...in this community, monthly, some website is shutdown a-la 'amibench' or another person shuts down development, a-la Bernd Myer... when someone gets their feelings hurt.

Quite frankly, I can't pay $380 for support, knowing that if someone sends you an e-mail later that 'hurts your feelings'...that all support will disappear.

These other people aren't you.....but you sure sound like them to me with your comments!

This is not an attack on you, this is my perceptions...if they are wrong, feel free to correct them....but post information or don't post it, but don't sway in the wind because criticism comes your way.

my 2 cents...ok maybe 1 cent.

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@Ami603,

I intend to make the difference 'real' by using an actual value, because otherwise we get into grey areas where marketer's say things that some construe as lies while others can say might not be intentional lies...they say things like 'slight price difference but you get more support'

I intend to remove the vagaries by giving actual values.  I am using the actual situation that I face, if I pre-order, as an american, today.  My amiga dealer, softhut === G4/XE 800Mhz Eyetech, is $879.00, if I order G4/XE 800Mhz Terrasoft, $499.00

The actual price difference on a pre-order is $380.
You say I e-mail someone I'll get different stories??? I believe you, this is the real price if I pre-order today.  Rather than get an e-mail from someone, and then I call them a liar later... I will just stick with actual prices...the OS4 premium, for me, in my area, is $380.00

AS other people have posted, we have seen some worse than that, some better.  And I am sure the gaps will change in the future, and as I do, my number of $380 will change...but I intend to talk about real numbers and not vagaries...

Even though, I agree, by placing out a real number its validity can always be challenged, and it puts me at risk as far as my reputation....but I'll take that chance, because, frankly, I think its more important to put out a real number.

by the way, I know I can talk endlessly sometimes...I thought you made a good point....as soon as this stuff is shipping, I'll try to think of a better way to compare prices...and the number will probably not be 380, and at a guess, it will be less of a gap, not more....

I have not had my A1200 for a few years...I look forward to buying real amgia or amiga like hardware soon....

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@Kurt

I'm not a MorphOS dude.  In fact, I'm not totally convinced that MorphOS will be successful.  I do think Genesi knows this communities dynamics better, but on the other hand, Amiga, Inc is holding most of the cards.  I don't know who will prevail in the end, only that it should be interesting.

The Terrasoftsolutions website has changed from $499 to 'being revised'....this is a recent thing, and I talked about it in another post.

Still it isn't expected to change much....might go down, probably up, but not by more than 50 dollars according to an e-mail from Terrasoft only last week.

Whatever the final price is, I will post it when its known, and I will talk about the new price gap.
Prices fluctuate....a significant gap in pricing, as existed last week, is worth noting...if the new price gap is significantly less, than that is very good (especially if the gap has decreased because the AmigaOne pricing is less...if its just a rise in the terrasoft price, then that is useless to this community).  If its still very large difference, then I will certainly make it known.  As I would talk about the pegasos board, if and when Genesi gives us some info about their G4 solution.