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Offline jtsiren

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« on: June 08, 2003, 09:07:00 PM »
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I see a lot of BS targeted at me, every day, sometimes from you as well. So you think I should swallow every #### targeted at me and reply nicely ? Grow up.


Just to step in... I'm not saying you should, but I do think it would benefit your position - "swallowing the crap" and replying nicely. Many companies probably hold the position that it would also be the "professional" thing to do, but that is not so important a point... The more important ones are all the benefits of rising above the crap. Benefits for you.

I'm talking about maintaining the moral high-ground with style and answers that gain their merit from their substance, not their effectiveness in countering personal attacks with more of the same. Hooligan had a point, even if he made it poorly. You did waste your and other people's time with these "you didn't ask nicely, I won't answer" types of messages - only for your people to eventually answer. (Nicely, thank you very much for that!) There is very little grown up about that. But more importantly, there is very little for you to gain in that.

Again, these subsenquent responses to Hooligan were quite unnecessary. You could have just calmly answered, ignored the flames and walked away as the winners of this thread. To be balanced, same goes for people like BBRV. It is not without reason some say he is his own worst enemy at times. Frankly - people around me tell me the same. And I think they are correct. There is lot to gain from fighting only the necessary fights, and very little in fighting the useless ones. (Obviously the art is to know which is which.)

You would gain an enormous amount of respect from people just by saying "sorry, got a bit worked up there - here are the answers". Believe me, people don't expect it, and not all will buy it, but many will love your for it. I've seen it happen a lot of times. It's the humility and achievement through action that buys souls and holds them near. Us loudmouths, well, we don't often get that far.

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Sorry, do not treat me like an idiot, then I won't treat you like one. That's a basic fundamential.


An eye for an eye?

Remarks like that only make people dig harder to find all the times they could say the same of your people. And us all being imperfect, they will find valid ammunition. You can't stop that, and you certainly know that. But you can choose not to participate. Stick to the point, answer the questions even if they are uncomfortable (if you can) and let the personal remarks slide. And if you make a mistake, or get worked up, (and we all do from time to time) just admit it and apologize for it - even if no-one else does that.

They will love you for it.

Now, me goes back to trying to swallow my own medicine.  :-)
 

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2003, 09:35:39 PM »
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After all that hard work, a few people who have no intention of buying OS4 start slagging it off, just for fun. I would definitely be pissed off if I was Hans or H-J, I'm surprised they even replied.


That really is the problem. How can you tell if someone will buy OS4 or not? Many of these people probably will consider it when it ships. We are talking about long-time Amiga users, after all.

The answers of the sort we've seen here benefit no one. They will certainly not benefit Hyperion. But sure, I can understand getting worked up - we all do that from time to time.

They could still make it right though.
 

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2003, 07:46:13 AM »
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You did waste your and other people's time with these "you didn't ask nicely, I won't answer" types of messages
Kronos directly picked me for that - blame it on him. If you think reading my (or Thomas) posts is a waste of time, there is the easy solution to look the other way.


You disagree with my point then? The one about being the bigger man. I'm sorry to hear that. I really am.  :-?

If you indeed think Kronos did it to annoy you - or to make you look bad - he certainly succeeded in getting some of the worst of you out. If you only had held the moral high ground, answered nicely and let his flames wind down...

You would have gained a lot of respect and Kronos would have looked... silly.

It is not, in my opinion, interesting to discuss who is to blame. If it helps you any, I can concede on Kronos. But that is like trying to solve the Middle East crisis by finding a scapegoat. Nobody wins. My original post in this thread was about benefits for you. I sincerely believe you could gain a lot that way.
 

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2003, 12:04:37 PM »
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Believe me when I say that you haven't yet seen the worst of me.


Okay, I'll take your word for it.

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It is not only here. Kronos does this on every forum.


I have no problem in conceding that either.

However, that was hardly my point.

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To give him credit though, his questons *are* valid. Something that you cannot say from others, especially on german forums. However, like I said, if he chooses to ask them in an offensive way, I choose to ignore them.


Ignoring is one thing. Responding the way you did is another.

You could gain a lot by keeping your calm, humility and to the point answers throughout - no matter how much the audience tries to stir you up. THAT was my point. Obviously you disagree, so I'll leave it at that.