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Re: Why was there nothing after os 3.9?
« on: August 04, 2014, 06:20:28 AM »
i've been using BB4 on an A4000 68060 CGX 4 system for about 12 months.

Initially I did have a problem with a menu utility form aminet, but that got fixed.

Since then, I've enjoyed the fastest, most reliable and prettiest OS 3.9 (Kens Icons) set up I've ever had.
 

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Re: Why was there nothing after os 3.9?
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2014, 08:56:06 AM »
@Thomas.

The various owners/ people who have claimed ownership have only themselves to blame for not making money on AmigaOS software.

The way I saw the situation was like a several people tugging at a roast chicken in different directions, and it ending up on the floor in several pieces that no-one could enjoy.
 

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Re: Why was there nothing after os 3.9?
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2014, 12:31:43 AM »
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I don't think that this is really the case. The problem is that the various owners of Amiga technology (Escom, Gateway...) all tried to "milk" the platform and squeeze money out of a system

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that was already dead to begin with. There wasn't any money to make on Amiga back then, except that the various investors and owners did not understand this.

Disagree. If you have paying customers, you can make money.  Amiga had the most loyal fan base of any platform.  All they needed to do was find a way to run Doom at 486 levels- eg an A1300 with 68030 50 mhz and CDROM as the base model, and 68040/68060 RTG support eg CV64 plus TV output built in for the professional market.  This would have bought them time and satisfied the user for a while.

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It would have required a massive investment to bring the technology up to date, and none of the "investors" actually had enough interest to actually invest into it, including CBM. Amiga was lacking behind already, CBM just tried to sell the old hardware without investment, and all "investors" afterwards tried the same - not realizing the death of the platform.

Its true everyone wanted to milk Amiga's reputation from the 80's.

But they could have kept going with the 68060 for a while if they managed to contain costs to Apple Quadra levels levels.  That would have bought them time to port the OS to PPC.  The PPC CHRP hardware was already there for them to use-they could have fitted the machines with 604's and high end graphics cards- Amigans always would pay to be ahead of the curve-Amiga at launch was not cheap!  Later economies of scale lets you compete on price too
 

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Re: Why was there nothing after os 3.9?
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2014, 12:36:51 AM »
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No, not really. While it is certainly true that 3.9 included many utlities that came from Aminet, it is also true that 3.9 did not contain patches. The typical Aminet patch has been developed by ignoring system specs or without enough knowledge of the insides of AOS, and is hacked into the system, 3.9 improvements were made from the 3.1 and 3.5 Os sources. Nothing had to be patched - the software was reviewed, improved and corrected. 3.9 math libraries is such a case, the workbench was created this way, so did the FFS.


I didn't know the math libraries had changed.

What is different about the Maths libraries in 3.9? Are they any faster?
 

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Re: Why was there nothing after os 3.9?
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2014, 12:53:41 PM »
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Hi I have an Amiga 1200 and I have just installed all four boing bags which I wish I had not as 1and 2 went in fine and 3 and 4 certainly did not as it stopped by computer booting. the only way I could make it run with the boing bags was to completely ignore the start-up sequence that was asking to install automatically or install manually so i did nothing which I did and the Amiga ran wonderfully well but my question is what difference if any will this action mean as in will something that should happen not now happen if you get my drift best wishes Brian.


Make sure you have the latest version of the BB4.

AFAIR you need to boot after installing BB3 before installing BB4.

The new startup- sequences add some patches to the kickstart ROM 3.1.  Its likely one of these is causing a conflict. Also some things are added to WBStartup drawer which may be doing the same.