MS Windows 7

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Lorraine wrote:

adolescent wrote:
@trekiej

It's supposed to.  I only have a lowly Pentium 4 550 with 2GB RAM and it's looking really snappy.

It'll be interesting to see if it could run on machine specs with:

300 - 500 MHz CPU
128 - 256 MB RAM
and Integrated Graphics

.. which XP is supposed to be able to do.

XP *runs* on that system, but uses swap files a lot.  I have a clean install of Vista business on AMD X2 4800+ 2 gig RAM with MS Office, photoshop, mplayer, it flies...never crashed, starts up like xp.

i've read that Win 7 only loads a lot less services at boot, meaning it boots faster and needs less ram than Vista.  most PC's will probably boot off SSD's in the next 18 months, so Win 7 will seem like a speed demon..

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TheMagicM wrote:
It took how many years for Vista to come out?  Now Windows 7 is out in a matter of what, months?  right.  What is this, Vista service pack 2 with some new eye candy?  I'll test it on my linux box under VirtualBox, some dumb-arsed person will hose up their system and I'll end up making some $$ fixing it.  lol

No way is Win 7 as radical change to the OS as Vista was.  It is just a service pack, but Vista has been nothing short of a disaster, MS wants to wash its hands clean of that name so as not to deter people wanting to shift from XP

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Oliver wrote:

stefcep2 wrote:
...MS wants to wash its hands clean of that name so as not to deter people wanting to shift from XP

If that is really the case, they may have a hard time selling Win 7 to people bought Vista. Perhaps they will do a discounted upgrade.

MS has gone on the record as saying the Win 7 OS upgrade is NOT "revolution" as Vista was, and that its built on the Vista kernel.  MS has said that to do more would break existing software and hardware.  They have called WIN 7 "more evolution, than revolution".

Win 7 has come about because the "old trick" has failed: upgrading your hardware to run new OS as fast as your old one has worn thin with Joe Average PC user, who is more computer savvy and probably already on at least his second version of Windows.  

Users haven't given a rats about aero, or the other eye candy, when it takes them longer to do what they used to do in XP on hardware that ought to be faster but isn't.

The best way to protest against corporations is not to give them money by not buying their product.  In effect thats what has happened to MS with Vista.  MS simply can't afford another failed OS, they HAVE to make Win 7 run faster than Vista, people have to see the benefits, otherwise they are screwed, especially as Apple's new OS is said to need less resources and is faster than the previous OS's running on the same hardware,

IMHO what is hobbling current hardware is a lack of multithreading at the OS and app level, that would allow different CPU cores to perform different tasks simultaneously.  Its ridiculous that my start menu won't pop up instantly and then leaves behind screen garbage when I close it just because a web page is loading at the same time, this on 2.4ghz Core2Duo with 4 gig ram laptop

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Oliver wrote:

stefcep2 wrote:
...MS wants to wash its hands clean of that name so as not to deter people wanting to shift from XP

If that is really the case, they may have a hard time selling Win 7 to people bought Vista. Perhaps they will do a discounted upgrade.

no actually there are a lot of people so disappointed with Vista that they can't wait to get their hands on Win 7 so that they can get rid of Vista.  W

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vista has been in use since Jan 2007, Win7 due in late 2009 or Jan 2010.  MS would think you've got your money's worth.  But if you bought Vista few months before Win 7 was released you might get a free upgrade to vista voucher.  Most users i know only got Vista with their new PC all laptops incidentally.

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zylesea wrote:
@ adolescent

Then you really shouldn't upgrade.

1GB RAM is <$10 these days.  Plus, we're not talking AmigaOS here.  It's not just the "OS" that is running on the 1GB of RAM (think extras that you add to the OS like networking, USB stacks, filesystems, etc.).  If you want to see what a stripped down Windows OS really needs look at XP FLP, or XPE.  

Plus, 1GB RAM is <$10 these days.  Seriously?

Tell me how to get 1 GB Ram for $10 for e.g. my 7 years old PIII laptop which still is fine and running?
Don't tell me about cheap prices, Lucky me has enough funds to purchase all this stuff. But I don't like to. It is just a resource wasting. It's exactly that attitude which is driving the global ecologic crisis.
Furthermore I'd like to point out that e.g. MorphOS runs quite well on my 400 MHz/128MB RAM Efika (and tell me how to get 1 GB for that for $10). It starts usb stack, network, 3d accelerated gfx, some file systems and a lot of other stuff. And since many of you don't consider an Amigaish system as a serious system, let me tell you that my QNX setup also requires very low resources.
The way to compensate for bad system design by increasing hardware power is not curing the prob, but dealing with its symptoms. And that is simply not sustainable nor a smart way.

But it IS the microsoft way..

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adolescent wrote:

stefcep2 wrote:

zylesea wrote:
The way to compensate for bad system design by increasing hardware power is not curing the prob, but dealing with its symptoms. And that is simply not sustainable nor a smart way.

But it IS the microsoft way..

I don't think that's quite fair.  Are you saying that software makers should not use available CPU resources?  Even in the Amiga world people who want the newest OS are expected to upgrade.  (AmigaOS 4.1 on an A500/512k chip only machine?  No!?  Lazy programmers!  :crazy:)

no what we are saying is the damned thing should do a hell of a lot more with the hardware resources available to it, but it doesn't.

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bloodline wrote:

adolescent wrote:

@bloodline

You don't need to let the search finish (if you know what you're looking for).  I just type in what I want and hit enter.

Yes, I've just tried it, it works just like the MacOSX search... thank goodness... the XP search was HORRIBLE!!!

MS does have a new search tool for XP which is supposed to work better.  i haven't tried it though

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adolescent wrote:
And now, what everyone was wondering...  YES!  WinUAE works fine on Windows 7.  :-D

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that Windows task bar looks very very like KDE 3 as used by PCLOS and Mandriva

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DonnyEMU wrote:

In my mind the folks at Hyperion who did OS 4.x are COMMUNITY HEROES, and they certainly didn't get anything out of doing it so far (except maybe lawsuits.)

I've thought that too: just a few programmers were able to write a PPC OS that couldn't be done by bigger players in the past eg escom Gateway, phase 5, Amiga international