Anybody still hate x86 on principal?

[matthey]

Is there anybody here who stills hates x86 because PowerPC was better?

I don't like x86 because it's a turd that was made to fly while the 68k was discarded like a piece of trash without even trying to upgrade it properly. PPC is better than x86 but then what isn't?

If so did you have no problem buying an ARM device?

ARM is ok but there is way too many variations to categorize it in one group. The original RISC ARM is innovative and interesting. The 68k should have been enhanced and brought back instead of Thumb 2, not that it's bad either. The 68k is still better.

If you take into account the latest IBM PowerPC it is only marginally better than an x86 Xeon.

Power or PowerPC? The U.S. Government subsidizes IBM's Power research for defense purposes. They must have wanted alternative servers to the easy to take down x86 M$ targets with endless exploits that every hacker knows.

Even if it has a "icky" design, who cares. I am developing software on Windows in normal life and never be confronted with assembler. Even on amiga (as long as you develop software using system routines and not directly hacking hardware) you are not confronted with the "icky" design. And users are not confronted anyway. And system programmer mostly use C (and assembler only on rare cases). So finally it is not important if "PowerPC" "could" be better because it is not. It is slower, it is more expensive and so on.

What's "icky" about the 68k and the Amiga? The x86 processors are fast and compilers and develop tools are good enough on the x86 that low level (icky?) knowledge isn't as necessary there. Then again, look at the bloat and slow down from the multitude of abstraction layers and lack of programmer knowledge of what it actually going on inside. If you have a problem, you call tech support instead of even considering assembler and system level debugging. On the Amiga, you just step right on into the Amiga OS function and see why it's causing a problem. In a perfect Amiga world, more processing power, better compilers and developer tools and better tech support would be nice though.

[matthey]

To answer the question directly, no I don't hate Intel x86 on principle any more than I dislike Craftsman hammers or Snap-on ratchets.

It's a tool to be used when appropriate, not a sports team to rally behind.

I'd rather use a better tool. I have an old dependable fine tooth Snap-on ratchet and it blows away every Craftsman ratchet I've ever used. I don't hate Craftsman ratchets but I love Snap-on ratchets. There is even a difference in a hammer. I kept 3 different hammers with different purposes at my wheel rolling station. A big heavy sledge hammer does not in any way replace a lightweight brass hammer. Some hammers have better balance and grip too. The x86 architecture is like a big heavy sledge hammer. It uses brute force to crush everything in site but it's not elegant, it's wasteful and it's overkill for most jobs. x64 is an improvement but I could have a nice processor+memory with the logic used in an i7 caches alone. If you like crappy made in China tools, then I won't stop you. Sometimes they are good too. I do use Craftsman sockets with my Snap-on ratchet because they are good enough especially with a lifetime guarantee.