Is the Cloud overrated?

[Arkhan]

What we had in the 70s, was a system where everything was done on one machine, and piped out to the end users. This is incedibly slow and laggy, and prone to failure. It is easy to restrict, fragile, ineficient, and at there mercy of whoever was in charge.

You're 19.  You didn't have jack in the 70s. You weren't even a twinkle in your dads eye.  You don't even know what you're talking about.  I think YOU should drown yourself.  Or at least stay off of Wikipedia.

Over half of their operating system is open sourced. The commerical product itself, OSX, doesn't have any kind of licencing scheme or copy protection whatsoever..

No, its not half open source.  Its based on the MACH kernel, which is indeed open source as it's part of MINIX.  Parts of BSD were mixed in to keep with the spirit of previous Mac OS and maintain BSD-friendliness.  This is not over half of the OS.  

Yes there are PARTS which are open source (the stuff that is BSD friendly, mostly) as that goes with the Unix territory, but saying over half the OS is open source is plain dense.  

The rest of it is filled with Nextstep.  Do you know what that is?  I doubt it.  Because if you did, you wouldn't be spewing your nonsense.

PS: That was for hijacking my thread on 1084s, AND for being numb.

ANYWAY

Cloud sounds a lot like a modern day, ubered up successor to PLATO or something.  I think it will be a great setup for businesses, and people who travel often (business folk).

Businesses often lock out most of the computer to the user (employee) and most of the stuff that needs accesses is on some intranet anyway.  They're basically dumbing a PC down into a terminal already in a lot of business/work places.

and people who travel A LOT can definitely benefit from having their stuff accessible from wherever they are, provided they have an internet connection.

It will be less expensive, easier to maintain, etc...

So, in that regard, I think its a neat idea, and might play out into something nice.  It could give businesses a lot more flexibility.   It might also crash and burn into a huge unsecured mess

However, the home user....especially the power users like those of us who constantly upgrade hardware, have tons of hard drives, RAID setups, home networks w/ file servers, etc. etc. etc.  will not benefit from cloud.   It will be a giant pain in the ass for people like that.   We (power users) were fine without it, and wont need it.  It is not practical for us, and probably wasn't designed with us in mind.  Just like the intranets w/ PCs that have locked out features in the workplace weren't designed with us in mind either.

[Arkhan]

Do you have anything valid to say? Before the personal computer, what were people doing their computing on? Exactly. In fact, a system like that was still installed at my local library until about 2005. I used it a lot. It beeped when you pressed the enter key, and you could watch the cursor move as the screen redrew.

I just think its hilarious when a 19 year old talks about what was going on in the 70s.  I dont care if your library had one.  So did mine.  Its not nearly enough proof of how things worked in the 70s.  Do you think all computer setups in the 70s beeped alot, and drew text to screen slowly?  Is that all you think they did?

Get back to me when you know what it's like to not have a home computer, and you have to go into a lab, dial into a server (like a VAX), and work that way for hours to get things done.  command line only.  No windows.  
 

Mach/bsd hybrid kernel, named xnu. Try to keep up.

Keep up with what?  You just repeated what I said, while adding your idiotic, arrogant flavor to it.   :roflmao:

And why would using BSD "keep with the spirit of previous Mac OS"? Have you used The old mac os? It's the anti-unix.

My bad, slip an X at the end of that Mac OS.   OSX has been evolving for what, over a decade now?  

Though I guess you could say longer, if you consider Nextstep.

I can download darwin, the open source parts of OSX, put the disc in, and boot to a shell (I think it's bash, not used it in a while). The argument could be made that it's an entire open source operating system.

..you THINK its bash?  All of this wikipedia slinging, and you THINK thats what it is?  Lol. If you want to argue that darwin is an entire OS, go on ahead.  I'll be the guy in the back of the room doing this: :laughing:

Given that I've got NS 3.3 running here in a virtual machine, admiring the total lack of software, I should hope so. It's funny how they developed doom on this, but it's not even complete.

So what, you went on the google-machine and downloaded NS.  Whoopeedoooo.  Do you know what it is?  How its put together?  It closed source.  It stops being LOLOPENSOURCE after the mach/bsd based part.

Just because two cars have the same engine, doesn't make them the same car.

Meaning, lets say you are a dodge charger and im a dodge dart.   We both have 318's in us.

If you (and I stress the IF) become some engine expert with 318s and then walk up to my car, try to pop the hood and go WHAT, ITS THE SAME ENGINE, LET ME GET IN THERE AND DO STUFF.

I will slam the hood down on your face and go ITS CLOSED SOURCE, GO AWAY NOW. :afro:    

You don't seem to aware that NeXTSTEP was also xnu kernal+bsd userland based. The biggest change between that and osx 10.0 was the display system.

You can stop trying to be different and "more informed" now and say mach kernel based like the rest of the world.   If you think the biggest change was the display system, again, this is me: :laughing:.  Why don't you leave comments like that for people who know stuff.

Cry more.

lrn2forum.

[Arkhan]

I pretty clearly have command line experiance, what with me already having mentioned using st.helens' c......BLAHBLAHBLAH...or local goverment (council) use that needed a password. At any rate I first used a GUI in about 2003, if the playstation mouse counts.

Youre 19. most of your early computer use experience is pretty useless and of no real consequence.

I think that's what it is, but i'm not sure. I've not used it in a while (no need). No wikipedia usage at any point in this argument; but given that you're accusing me of this, I'm guessing you're guilty?

Oh, Mr. KnowItAll McUsedOldSystemsInHisYouthAndIsOfficiallyTheTerminalMasterBecauseOfIt cant remember something like BASH? I Just find that fact quoting people usually just wikipedia everything and start flinging facts around like it makes their credibility 100%.

No, I went to the ebay machine and bought a nextstep 3.3 386/68k install disc. Took a while to buff away the scratches.

Oh look at me I buffed a disc.  I'm the sovereign lord of the computarz. :lol:  Any more irrelevant bits of info that you think separate you from the pack!?  LOOK OUT WORLD, HellLabs buffed out a CD-ROM!  HES UNLEASHED THE TRUE POWER.

No, but it does make them easier to find parts on, and doesn't take as long to get used to working on the other.

So, were cars, not people. Then suddenly we become people who own cars? Not following you.

Drunken analogies: Bad idea.

It helps to read the entire analogy before responding, instead of breaking it into sections and commenting on them.  again: LRN2FORUM.   Let me dumb it down for you, sport:  Just because 2 things use the same core and one is open sourced, doesn't mean they both are.  The freedom of one doesnt always translate 1:1 to the other.  OSX has plenty of non open source (>50%) stuff, which really makes it what it is.  That is the root of the discussion.  You claiming over half the OS is open sauce.  Its not.  Its very closed sauce.  omfgbbq1337sauce to be exact.

The kernel is XNU. Forked from Mach, uses a lot of BSD code in there. They are not the same.

You see that word BASED, that has been used a few times now?   That implies they're not the same but are related.  Again, thanks for the redundancy.  It appears were all on the same page, yet you think youre a page ahead of us.

Well I do, and you don't.

Please.  You'd be wise to not even bother going there. That kind of stupidity never ends well.

gb2gbs

funny, thats what I was sayin' when you started waving your tard-fu around in my monitor thread, and probably what people are saying about you in this thread about CLOUD .   It wasn't an open invitation for your know it all penis waving

[Arkhan]

Sorry boys for being off topic, but going back to this thing of cloud computing I just wanted to say that I believe it is a marketing buzzword for yuppies that want to sell some new technology trend, which is of course usefull, but overrated, much like the multimedia concept was in the 90s, much like web 2.0 was sometine ago much like the dot com crazyness.
And this technological marketing trends will keep coming and going from time to time, promising they will revolutionize everything, and then they will dissapear much like a pop song. Leaving us, in the best of cases, with something usefull, but not really groundbreaking.

this reminds me of someone who wouldn't shut up about Azure and silverlight (not you Donny!).  Acting like it was THE MESSIAH of computing.  Its neat, but we were OK without it, and will be fine after its hype has passed.

some people will benefit,and use it to its full, designed-for potential, but none of this stuff is going to be a widespread phenomenon

[Arkhan]

For business....giving users a PC and having them screw it up constantly is a real pain in the butt, always has been always will be because most users are thick twats. That's why Citrix was invented over a decade ago for large corporations (and any intelligent IT Service Manager would insist on this being used for all but the seriously experienced user...so 99%)
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CITRIX!

That is what the library I work at uses.  Its kind of pathetic though...  They still ass it up using that.  and then me, the lowly part time page/college student has to go and fix things all the time, lol.  

This includes helping the IT repair man that shows up and doesn't know whats going on.  

:roflmao:


cloud will work out great for people like that who need the dumbest-possible-terminal machine they can be sat in front of.  It will give businesses more peace of mind that their workers aren't tarding up the machines and causing loss of productivity.