The promised logo contest from Amiga Inc

[Wittgenstein]

Sorry  Kronos, I cant stand your bashing anymore. Why dont you got too ann.lu where your friends Samface, Cheesegrate and Alkis are? They are at the same level as you.

Is there any "killfile"-feature in this system? I dont want to read posts from certain authors that keep whining about every little thing like a 5-year old boy. This is really sad. :/

/W

[Wittgenstein]

@Kent:

Yes, but the problem is that almost every positive news or thread starts with comments from people like Kronos. The problem isnt that they dont agree about the specific item, the problem is that they _NEVER_ posts anything constructive. It is always bashing, bashing and bashing. Where are the constructive discussions? Are the destructive by nature? (maybe Kronos himself can answer this). If we want to create a new community around any new Amiga or Amiga-related system we learn to be creative, constructive and positive again but still not trust Amiga blindly. I belive there is a sane path between the these two extreme points (the bashers and the worshippers).

The killfile-solution may be a little bit drastic, but I think everyone would benefit of some kind of moderation. A simple warning to people that cant behave would be more than enough and with many active moderators, the biasing would be neglectable.

Keep up the good work but dont let Amiga.org sink to the current levels of Ann.lu and Moobunny.

/W

[Wittgenstein]

@Kronos

Yes, but like I said, there is a path between! Because you dont like the worshippers you dont need to bash it and be negative. Why not be normal and sane? If some people think that a t-shirt-design contest is fun why dont you let them? Spend you energy on something better.

I dont belive in a rebirth of the platform, only a rebirth of the community but think that even that is very unlikly. However, I think it is still worth a try since there are atleast three new Amiga-like platforms comming out (AOS4, MOS and Amithlon2).

/W

[Wittgenstein]

@ Kronos

So if you see anothor Kronos-post that doesn't include any technical questions/facts, you should try to view theam as a joke.

Well, I'll try to keep that in mind. But the line between your 'jokes' and bashing are thin and they might not be 'jokes' for the people involved.

I dont mind if anybody jokes about the Amiga Inc and all their turns, but I would like to see more respect from everybody  to people like the AOS4 team, MOS team, bplan, Eyetech who all try to make a diffrence.

/W

[Wittgenstein]

@ bubble

There is no sane path between theese two, because they are both the same !

There is a welldefined path between those two types; don't believe anything you hear/read, dont expect anything until you have it in your hand and try to think for yourself. Add some optimism to this and you are on it.

And I dont put Kronos on the basher/worshiper side

I put Kronos in the basher side since he always believes the worst and lacks optimism. This view is ofcourse very subjective.

he is more interested in the truth, and often uses reason in his arguments.

What truth? I think it is very clear that Kronos is only intrested in his own truth. And ofcourse he uses reason in his argument. He is a smart guy so I wouldnt expect anything less.

/W

[Wittgenstein]

@ Wayne

Amiga.org isn't sinking. You guys really need to relax and accept that while almost everyone here wants the Amiga to succeed (including Kronos) not everyone shares the same "mindless automaton cheerleader" attitude.

No, but if you take a look at Ann.lu, Moobunny and SCAM you will notice that the discussion today has sunken several levels. Most threads are filled with all these fights (Ainc vs MOS, H&P vs Amithlon, Amithlon vs Amithlon, Ainv vs H&P....). It is very hard to find any threads with constructive discussion.

Over time, I strongly believe more damage has been done to this community by the cheerleaders who, despite being told otherwise, refuse to believe that Amiga isn't simply following in Commodore's footsteps trying to compete with the likes of Microsoft and Apple.

Yes, there are zealots that get this "Amiga"-thing over their heads but I dont think they inflict and real damage since they buy the hardware and the software. The people I think hurt the comunity the most are the bashers - the people that bash everything they dont agree with or like. I dont blame them for bashing Amiga Incs anouncements, but when they bash people that spends their spare time and/or pocket money to contribute to this dying platform I think it has gone too far.

Let's hope the future brings more respect to the members of our tiny fragile community.

/W

[Wittgenstein]

@ redrumloa

The trolls are for me people that lie and make up thing in their minds and then go you and shout about it. Kronos is certainly not a troll, since he try to makes good and, as far as I can tell, truthfull posts. But I still think he is a basher since the posts are sometimes negative, destructive and pointless. I just want him to be a little bit more positive, or at least keep the negative energy to himself since I am sick of it.

/W