Redrumloa rocks all kinds of socks

[murple]

Tension wrote:
We`re all grownups here.  There`s no reason to feel sick just because you read a thread on A.org.  Redrumloa was not asked to leave A.org, quite the opposite actually from what i`ve read!!  If he chooses not to post here any more then that is his decision, and his only.  It`s the same for everyone else here as well.

Agreed. Yeah some people were being dicks to him. By the same token "I'm taking all my toys and going home!" could be seen as a less than mature reaction as well. Welcome to the internet, please read your flame war introductory manual and grow some thicker skin. From where I sit I don't think either side was especially right or wrong. I have no problem with redrumloa, I don't think his prices are nearly as inflated as some other sellers. I think I bought a part of some kind off him and thought it was a good price. I might again if he were selling something I wanted and it wasn't too much. Shame he left, but he did decide that, so...  I'm not losing any sleep over it.

My point was that I personally think it`s wrong to inflate hardware prices by reselling / re-auctioning hardware whilst using A.org as a shop front.

Could not agree more. I'm really disgusted by the prices people are selling Amiga stuff for these days. There are millions and millions of Amigas out there, and certainly not millions of people who actually want them. I'm sure many of the Amigas being sold for $200 on ebay and elsewhere were bought at yard sales for $5... and my own recent experience with somebody who bought up a bunch of ancient SIMMs in bulk and is now selling off antique 128MB memory for what they might've been worth YEARS ago, ugh. Some Amiga parts are genuinely worth a lot of money, but the common stuff really should not be going for what they do.

*However* - it isn't just the sellers fault here. The only reason they can get away with selling stuff at prices that I can only describe as piracy is because we're willing to pay that. As long as there are suckers who will fork over $300 for an Amiga 2000 with a few cards, people will sell them at that price.

[murple]

Ilwrath wrote:

If prices drop cheap enough, any hardware that breaks or is not wanted anymore, people will just trash.  If there is a healthy resale market, there's a better chance of preservation.

Sorry, but that's just absurd. Anybody who is a collector or enthusiast is going to know people want this stuff even if it's cheap... and they're probably not going to throw things away.

People who aren't into Amigas aren't likely to know the stuff is worth anything and will throw things away even if the same item is selling on ebay for $400. To most people who aren't active Amiga users, they're just crappy old computers and are junk. I've gotten quite a bit of Commodore equipment for free or very cheap from people who were just happy to get the crap out of their house and save them the hassle of taking it to the dump.

The fact that some people will pay a lot for this stuff is not saving any hardware. The people who are just throwing the stuff away generally have no contact with the people who are buying and selling on the collector market. They don't know the stuff is worth anything, and probably assume that it's worthless because the computer industry has indoctrinated everybody to equate old with bad.

Some people will take those things for free/cheap and turn around and sell them online for hundreds of dollars. I've gotten things for free or under $50 which I could EASILY have sold for several hundred bucks, but I'm not going to be a douchebag like that. I'd wager that many people who are frequently selling expensive Amiga stuff online are making massive profits on things that otherwise would probably be selling for $10 on craigslist or in flea markets.

Saying these inflated prices are good for the buyer is laughable.

[murple]

Glaucus wrote:
Wow! You guys, Red is an Amiga.org heavyweight. How did you guys drive him away? I have debated against him on many issues, but never once did I ever question his integrity.

I didn't really pay attention to the thread, but sometime in January somebody was selling some kind of Amiga hardware at a good price. Red came onto the thread and made a one sentence post like "Too cheap!" and a bunch of people started giving him crap for encouraging people to sell things at higher prices. It escalated from there and I think some people claimed Red was doing some unethical stuff on AmiBay. Red basically said "screw you guys I'm going home" and that was that. It was all pretty silly.

There was no excuse for Red to yell at somebody for selling hardware cheap.

There was no excuse for people to accuse Red of doing unethical stuff that they couldn't prove.

It was pretty retarded from what I saw of it.