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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2011, 01:37:38 PM »
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oh and on ps3 media limitation, I know I could re-transcode my files but that takes time, plus I dont like having to leave on my big power sucking pc on just to stream data to my ps3, I prefer to just have all my files I need on my console, and wifi single have never been that strong in my house, plus ny 320gb hard drive in the ps3 has nearly over 250gb just on game installs and demos I've downloaded, so I think I will just use my Ps3 as a game machine and have a dedicated computer for my media and other hobby's, with no restitutions, no work around I need to implement etc.

now with the ps3 you can use as big hd you want. its not liker the xbox360... so you can take out the hd go buy a 2tb at your local conmputer shop and install it.. all you do is format it and updated it from from the xmb menu, then your ready to go... use tversity to ftp over the files from your pc to the ps3..
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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2011, 02:07:06 PM »
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Given how much care software developers devote to releasing patches to the games they ship in poor shape (e.g. the recent "Fallout 3: New Vegas" is considered one of the most bug-ridden games in years, and the makers already released two incremental patches to make the game playable on the consoles and the PC platform), I'd say you have to be able to download bug fixes, etc. Not sure how this will fly with pirated games (presumably, the patches are only applied to legitimate goods), though.

Consider me skeptical. It will require plenty of effort to side-step Sony's inevitable countermeasures, and for what benefit? Most of the games offered today are of poor quality. Play a pirated version of these, or rather throw money at the few good things there are? How much time can you spend on playing games, anyway?

when you have the master key you can make the ps3 accept any media as original bought one even if it is homebrew or pirated dosent mater. sony cant do anything about it, they must make a new ps4 with better security to figth this one...

when it comes to bad programmed games, specially for the consoles where you must depend on a patch. if not the game makers make it available for download at your pc but only at xmb, you will propably not beable to play the game 5-10years later. this gives you a good reason not to buy it or just pirate it, console games should work out of the box, period. fallout 3 is a very good game and thank god, it is also out on the pc where these patches are far more available.

when it comes to the hacking/pirating i dont think sony or any game companies will suffer more than they do. there is enough of regular joes out there that aint to technical do to anything than just buy games. but for us few other it gives us a choice to do what we want and thats good. sony will now sell more consoles and game companies will have to make their games at higher quality than unfinished bugridden patch releases...
 

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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2011, 03:31:51 PM »
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Without really reading more than the headlines of the recent hack, here are my thoughts:

The security of the PS3 relies on the isolated SPU. The SPU is protected by a hardware cipher (probably AES) with an embedded root key. Far as I know, this root key is NOT what's been captured.



they got the rootkey.... if you bother to read you would have known that by now.....
 

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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2011, 09:27:04 PM »
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Well, I did take the time now, and you're wrong. The root key is the one thing they didn't get (it's embedded in silicon after all, and each console has its own unique key) but they do claim to have broken the chain of trust anyway. Let's see how effective it is.


i am wrong?... what about this then..

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GeoHot has gone a step further and simply published the PS3's "root key".


read it here...
http://kotaku.com/5723105/hacker-claims-to-have-the-ps3s-front-door-keys
 

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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2011, 02:28:15 PM »
the drama continues...

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iPhone hacker publishes secret Sony PlayStation 3 key

"The complete console is compromised - there is no recovery from this," said pytey, a member of the fail0verflow group of hackers, who revealed the initial exploit at the Chaos Communication Congress in Berlin in December.

"This is as bad as it gets - someone is getting into serious trouble at Sony right now."

read more here...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12116051


and here is sonys response....
http://www.next-gen.biz/news/sony-responds-to-ps3-hacks
 

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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2011, 04:53:46 PM »
its sony blabbertalk as usuall... they have lost...
 

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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2011, 05:43:26 PM »
i dont think they can do that, then they will ban their legit consumers to...
 

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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2011, 12:53:20 PM »
heres some more news...

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Nilay here -- let's take a look at what's going on. This isn't a "lawsuit" in the traditional sense, since Sony hasn't filed a complaint for copyright infringement or whatever against Geohot and friends. Instead, the company appears to be trying to shove the genie back in the bottle and have the jailbreak and any information about the jailbreak removed from the web by filing a temporary restraining order. That might work in the short term -- Geohot's already pulled his pages down -- but history suggests that the forces of paperwork rarely triumph over the righteous anger of nerds, and that this code is out there for good. That said, we'll see what the court says tomorrow; although we very much doubt Sony's melodramatic proposed motion and order will be granted as written, we wouldn't be surprised if some sort of order is eventually granted -- and then from there a formal lawsuit is likely just a few days away.

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http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/sony-sues-geohot-fail0verflow-over-ps3-exploits/
 

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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2011, 12:54:59 PM »
and even more news...

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Dave Touretzky, a Research Professor in the Computer Science Department and the Center for the Neural Basis of Cognition at Carnegie Mellon University, has challenged Sony's legal standing in the case against PS3 hackers and mirrored Geohot's site on the university's servers.

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Our friends at Sony are having another bad day: i.e., doing something breathtakingly stupid, presumably because they don't know any better. This time they're suing George Hotz for publishing PS3 jailbreak information, as reported by EnGadget and Attack of the Fan Boy. Hotz's jailbreak allows PS3 owners to run the software of their choice on a machine they have legally purchased. His site is geohot.com.

Free speech (and free computing) rights exist only for those determined to exercise them. Trying to suppress those rights in the Internet age is like spitting in the wind.

We will help our friends at Sony understand this by mirroring the geohot jailbreak files at Carnegie Mellon.

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http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/carnegie-mellon-professor-challenges-sony-mirrors-geohots-site-75577/
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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2011, 07:09:39 PM »
when sony start suing instead of plugging the security hole, then you know they cant fix the problem and have lost.
 

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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2011, 02:59:42 PM »
geohot speaks on youtube...

[youtube]QXqIssgzML8[/youtube]
 

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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2011, 03:02:11 PM »
more news here...

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Hotz stands firm on his motivation behind hacking the console (he wanted to return the "Other OS" feature to the PS3) and also takes the opportunity to refute claims he's only interested in hacking so the PS3 can play pirated games.

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http://kotaku.com/5733293/ps3-hacker-being-sued-for-making-sony-mad
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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2011, 05:47:01 PM »
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Can someone who is in the know provide an answer to the following question.

I've been following this as I was interested in using Emulators on my PS3. However the emulators I've seen state that they need to run on Geohots Unofficial Firmware.

So if you need unofficial firmware won't Sony be able to see that your PS3's firmware is different to the official one, which in turn would allow them to act against people using it.

until now they havent seen anyone... so the ps3 jailbreak usb plug with the latest cracked xmb 3.55 firmware update is safe so far. but to be 100% save you unplug the ps3 from the net.
 

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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2011, 10:19:59 PM »
latest...

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
January 14, 2011

Law Firms defend Sony's Accusations against George Hotz

San Francisco, California – Today, attorneys Stewart Kellar and Yasha Heidari announced they intend to vigorously defend the baseless accusations asserted by Sony Computer Entertainment America LLC (“Sony”) against Mr. George Hotz.

“Make no mistake,” Stewart Kellar, intellectual property attorney and e-ttorney at law™ stated, “this case is not about Sony attempting to protect its intellectual property or otherwise seek bona fide relief from the court. Rather, it's an attempt from Sony to send a message that any individual using Sony hardware in a way Sony does not deem appropriate will result in harsh legal consequences from a multi-billion dollar company, irrespective of any legal basis or authority for such action.”

Sony recently filed suit against a number of individuals, including Mr. Hotz, a 21-year-old computer prodigy who is well-known for his accomplishments and innovations in the field of phone and computer development, such as for creating the ability to provide for iPhone interoperability between various cellular network carriers. Citing unfounded concerns and a dubious legal basis for jurisdiction, Sony seeks relief from the Court due to Mr. Hotz re-enabling core functionality of the Playstation 3.

“I think it is quite telling that Sony, who is legally required to provide notice to Mr. Hotz before seeking any special relief with the Court, decided to e-mail Mr. Hotz a copy of their motion at 7 p.m. when a hearing was scheduled for the next morning at 9 a.m. in California, while Mr. Hotz does not even live in California. Sony is seeking various unreasonable relief, such as seizing Mr. Hotz's personal property and computers. Luckily, the Court postponed the hearing,” said Yasha Heidari, Esq., managing partner at Heidari Power Law Group, LLC.

Mr. Kellar added, “This case not only has profound implications for the parties involved, but it also implicates core property rights for every consumer out there.” Recently in April of 2010, citing the fact that the Playstation 3's terms and conditions reserve the right to modify the PS3's settings and features, Sony inexplicably issued an “upgrade” that removes the end user's ability to utilize the PS3's OtherOS functionality. Consumer familiar with the PS3 know that OtherOS is a powerful tool that is critical in allowing its users to utilize the PS3 as a personal computer. Sony had previously touted the PS3's OtherOS as a major selling point and feature that would receive Sony's continued support. Yet, despite this, Sony took the position that consumers must either choose to upgrade the PS3 to play newer game titles and lose OtherOS support, or ignore the update to keep OtherOS but be prohibited from playing newer titles.

Mr. Heidari stated, “While most companies issue firmware upgrades to increase a product's abilities over its life cycle, Sony has taken the unacceptable and draconian approach of decreasing the PS3's capabilities by actually destroying a core feature of the PS3. Imagine taking in your car for an oil change and having the manufacturer remove your car's air conditioner, radio, and half its horsepower because of fears that other hypothetical individuals might abuse their vehicles. It just doesn't make any sense, and it's a slap in the face to the consumers that put their support behind the product.” Mr. Kellar proclaimed, “This case rests on Sony's misguided belief that it has the unfettered ability to control how consumers use the products they legitimately purchase.”

Both attorneys agree that Sony's interpretation of the law is quite troubling. The attorneys state they hope the judge will deny Sony's motion, but regardless of how the judge rules, they fully intend to defend Mr. Hotz in this action, which has wide-spread implications for consumers globally.

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http://www.hplawgroup.com/PR-Hotz-Jan-14-2011.pdf
 

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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2011, 01:13:09 PM »
some great news! the custom 3.55 firmware is ready for ps3...

http://twitter.com/hackinblack/status/26973008144891905

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Re: PS3 security is "epic fail"
« Reply #29 from previous page: January 24, 2011, 08:52:05 PM »
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Geohot's Lawyers Move For Dismissal + Sony's Response

The legal battle, between George Hotz (geohot) and Sony, continues to unfold in the great state of California. When we last covered this subject, the court had denied Sony's request for a restraining order, as the judge felt California did not have jurisdiction over the matter. Sony has been fighting this issue ever since, arguing that California does indeed have jurisdiction. Sony's latest basis for this argument, is a PSN account with the username "Geo1Hotz", which Sony is claiming as George Hotz's account. However, geohot's lawyers are shooting down these claims, and are moving for dismissal of the case all together.



Read more: http://psgroove.com/content.php?691-Geohot-s-Lawyers-Move-For-Dismissal-Sony-s-Response#ixzz1BzKBmYdf