AmigaONE X5000 (A-Eon Technology Ltd on Facebook)

[Rob]

Building a custom x86 or ARM board in the same quantities would yield the same high design, manufacturing and engineering costs.  The answer lies in the scale of production.  The "fun" starts at 10,000 units.

Which is the biggest barrier, funding the 10,000 units or fear of having a crippling number of unsold units.

[Rob]

Guess because software be addressing the same CPU?
Yeah let's keep the Amiga in the PPC era so we can run 15 year old software

I guess it magically deals with the problems associated with Amiga OS having it's own API's too.

[Rob]

ARIX shows that it is possible to use Linux as base for driver support. Or you use Mac X86/X64 as hardware.

Since ARIX isn't available or even been demoed publicly it shows nothing.

[Rob]

Sounds exactly like OS4.2. Your point is?

I don't know why you bring OS4.2 into it, this isn't some kind of battle of the OS'.

Olaf said that "ARIX shows that it is possible to use Linux as base for driver support.".  The point is that without ARIX being out in the wild it does not and can prove or show anything.
People have to be able to see something to be shown.  Do you understand?

[Rob]

No one has been shown OS4.2 and its vapor "SMP", not even a description of how it might work as a concept (unlike ARIX) but you still believe.

I guess you didn't understand the point then.  

With regard to OS4.2 I haven't claimed that it proves multicore slots neatly into AmigaOS, to be truthful I will remain sceptical about whether or not it will work until I see it.  Please try to see past the hostile fanboi stereotype that I exist as in your mind.

Anyway since you say that you have had ARIXfor the past 6 months, does it boot on every x86 system you've tried, and are you no longer stuck with glitchy video modes on certain video hardware.
Is the concept a reality?

[Rob]

I'm not sure I understand your point.

Simply the point that ARIX hasn't been seen yet so can't have yet shown anything.  I fail to understand why that's been deemed so offensive.

P.S.

I was probably one of the first people to register MorphOS for Efika and only rushed to buy one because MorphOS was being released and had some neat new features and Sputnik browser.

[Rob]

Genrally when people say "Your point is?" it's because they do not understand the point you are failing to make, yes.

Too busy wanting to feel offended to actually take in what I said.  

Hyperion and it's various paid and unaid mouthpieces are liars?



Your words Rob

I don't seem to recall that I said in this thread that anyone had lied.

1. Yes.
2. Never had nor heard of that problem before you montioned it.  Seing as most about else who has used ARIX is under NDA - therefore cannot mention anything - are you sure you aren't just making that up?
3. Yes.

I think it was my Toshiba Celeron 1.8ghz based Laptop with Intel video that it failed to even boot on, and the Core2 system with a Radeon 4670 that I was stuck with %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!ty slow VESA mode with some serious graphical glitches.
On other systems I tried in the past, mainly 32-bit Athlon with GeForce 2 video I have had no problems watsoever and there was a Dell system I tried once too and had sucess.
None of this is made up.

Just curious if ARIX will make such a hit and miss factor a thing of the past since, that presumably is the point of using Linux underpinnings.

[Rob]

Man!
Can we go off on some tangents or what?

Back to the topic of the thread.

OK AmigaKit, if we don't have the price range right, what IS it likely to be?

Lets hope the design phase cost less than that of the X1000 and price difference isn't solely the cost of the CPU.

[Rob]

nu

You didn't boot ARIX on your Core2 nor did you boot it on your Athlon Rob, so what is the point you are trying to make?

Oh sorry I was was talking about AROS.  I was posting a little late last night sorry I was a bit unclear and didn't mention AROS specificly.  Certainly never even claimed to have seen ARIX let alone run it.  So sorry for any confusion


What I'm asking is does the ARIX implementation with it's underlying Linux driver base allow it to run on any system without having to carefully select what hardware you use.  I assume that's the goal.

[Rob]

The only benefit I can see to the MOS team is that certain vocal OS4 evangelists will no longer have the "no new hardware with warranty" stick to beat them with.

Stick bearers will just find another.  If MorphOS is released on Sam and AmigaONE X1000 etc then it's fairly obvious that the new stick will be "MorphOS doesn't have it's own hardware so have to use ours".

[Rob]

by the way, as there is always so much talk about how retarded genuine amiga users are, and how they should upgrade to ng solutions, and also countless guesses about what camp has most followers (judging by download figures of whatever), it just occurred to me today checking aminet that there is an obvious and objective indication to that.

so check out these download figures of fresh release of amiarcadia (by 11.01.2014):
AmiArcadia.lha   22.24   misc/emu   23981   3.6M   m68k-amigaos
AmiArcadiaMOS.lha   22.24   misc/emu   18820   3.9M   ppc-morphos
AmiArcadia_OS4.lha   22.24   misc/emu   12302   3.9M   ppc-amigaos

given that mos and os4 have stil their own download depots the figures there do not seem to account for much (ive checked out of curiosity, there seem to be just a few). so i think we can safely say that the biggest amiga community is still the genuine amiga owners (or uae users) followed by mos (80% in comparison, which is not bad) and os4 being third, accounting for about a half of genuine amiga users. there is no aros (x86) figures in this case alas, though i consider it possible that it would be even lower than the os4 result.

q.e.d.

You can't really draw a conclusion based on a single piece of software.  I for example have never felt compelled to download Amiarcadia since it didn't appeal to me.

You really need to find a number of pieces of software available for all systems and get the averages across those pieces of software.  The more pieces of software the better.

Also since you pointed out that OS4 and MorphOS have their own repositories you really should be pulling the stats off those and adding them to the Aminet stats too.  I usually download OS4 software from OS4 depot.

The only times I remember going to Aminet in the past foew years is to actually provide link to a piece of 68k software for someone asking on the forums if there's a piece of software for the A500, A1200 etc that does X.