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Offline Damion

Re: Old Commodore/Amiga CRT monitors worth the trouble?
« on: July 26, 2012, 11:11:16 PM »
A lot of guys still RGB mod their consoles, or configure their PC video card to output 15 kHz for MAME use. The 1084 is considered to be one of the "holy grail" monitors among this crowd. Personally, I think a line-doubled display from a good scandoubler (like the PIV), combined with a well adjusted Trinitron/Diamondtron CRT blows the 1084 (or anything else for that matter) away WRT gaming perfection, but the 1084 still maintains a loyal following as one of the legends.

Anyhow, I'm sure you'd find some takers on ebay, question is whether or not it's worth your time and the potential hassle. I have a bunch of these in my garage and have been asking myself the same question for a number of years now.
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Offline Damion

Re: Old Commodore/Amiga CRT monitors worth the trouble?
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2012, 04:28:24 AM »
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Everyday I fight the urge to order a CRT from this page, I am afraid it won't work properly. One day I might just say "who cares" and buy one anyway, unless anyone wants to give it a shot and report back. :D

http://www.xgaming.com/store/category/arcade-parts-and-accessories/

Recently I was lucky enough to find 2 NOS Sony PVM-20M2U monitors for a reasonable shake. Had to make an Amiga -> BNC cable, but they are truly phenomenal. (15 kHz, 50/60 Hz no problem.) 20" is a bit large for sitting up close with low-res Amiga games, fortunately they have an underscan function which comes in handy.

The only problem with buying old, or even NOS CRTs - they are fragile as heck, and even in the factory boxes will often get jostled around enough during shipping to knock them way out of calibration. But if you go through the long process of dialing them in, there is nothing better (IMHO) for classic gaming. The smaller ones like the 1084 usually fare a lot better though than the 80lb beasts.

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Personally I've re-imagined the past where monitors were always flat and light.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"

Doctor Who, the Deadly Assassin 1974

I wish I could find a monitor with perfect convergence, geometry, etc, but without the smearing, lag, and resolution scaling problems of flatscreens. I also can't handle any type of "scanrate conversion" that entirely molests the signal and produces b0rked scrolling. (Or the periodic mouse pointer hop and tearing artifacts in WB when the Amiga and scandoubler re-synch.) That said, I wouldn't even consider using a CRT with a modern computer. With the Amiga, I have yet to find a monitor that does everything perfect. The closest is probably a little 17" late-90's iiyama I have connected to a Picasso IV. It's simply fabulous.
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Offline Damion

Re: Old Commodore/Amiga CRT monitors worth the trouble?
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2012, 07:21:41 PM »
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I almost want to figure out a way to hook up a 21" CRT monitor I have to my old consoles as the LCD's make me angry.


http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php?title=XRGB_Wiki

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Something I've noticed with the LCD's is that the pixels will distort and such during fast paced action. I suppose this is the unit stuttering and the LCD is showing the actual output as opposed to just bluring the pixels together like it would on a CRT. Though I am not 100% sure why this occurs.


Fast paced, low-res scrolling games are the _worst_ on LCDs, just the nature of LCD technology unfortunately. Could also be the way the monitor is processing the signal, combined with a large screen size.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Response_time_%28technology%29#Display_technologies

On the Amiga, you can really see the difference with a pinball game. On a CRT it's smooth as silk, but the smearing is obvious even on "fast" LCD panels. I've always found the problem to be exaggerated when the monitor is displaying a non-native resolution (like a Genesis connected to your LCDTV).