I use a Picasso II in my A4000D Toaster. Either of the cards should work with no problem if you can fit one in physically with both a Toaster and Flyer installed. A Toaster + Flyer + Octopus cable setup won't leave much room for anything else. You will need a video monitor for the toaster unless you have an indivision aga or toastscan scan doubler. I use the video input of my LCD TV for the Toaster and it will even output native Amiga modes through the Toasters video outputs after you turn the Toaster off--remember to set an opaque background before you exit the Toaster software or whatever image is in the Toasters frame buffer will be merged with the Amiga graphics.