AmigaONE or Pegasos, which one will it be sir?

[Kay]

Well, since AmigaOS4 has not yet been confirmed for Pegasos, AmigaOne
is the only real choice for me.

Kay

[Kay]

@strobe:

> As for the AOS4 timeline, I don't have superior knowledge, merely superior ability to use logic.

Really, strobe, you would be amazed by just how many people think that about themselves.

> Why are people so convinced that AOS4 exists?

Well, let's see...the component demonstrations, the claims from respected developers who are working on it, the statements from the betatesters, the progress reports, the official statements about it...I'm sure there's even more. Now, I'll give you this, Spock, it COULD just be an exceedingly intricate hoax. Exactly WHY AInc, Hyperion, the other developers and the betatesters would make a hoax like this over an extended period of time is beyond me, however, and until you give me a good reason why, I'm just going to dismiss the idea as yet more FUD from a loudmouth zealot trolling the forums.

>  It is with this premise that they decide what hardware to buy?

In my case it certainly is, yes.

> I will bet anybody here $1000 USD that AOS4 will not even be DEMONSTRATED in any form on the A1 this year!!! It's a friggin impossibility!

Well, I won't take your bet, as you might be right, but to claim that it is impossible is just plain stupid. Or maybe it's just an attempt from you to spread Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt in order to promote Pegasos/MorphOS.

> Hyperion would have demonstrated AOS4 running on a A4000 by now if they could have.

The last word from Ben Hermans was that the 68k emulator was being integrated, and that this would take a few weeks. Without this integrated, they can't run OS4 on PPC hardware. So yes, they can't demonstrate OS4 yet. This isn't a remarkable observation on your part, though, everybody already knows it.

> They only recently bragged about completing exec like they were parting the Red Sea!.

Yeah right. They said that it was finished, alright, but I'd be utterly amazed if the uncontrolled bragging happened anywhere besides inside your head.

> One thing I know for sure: BetatesterII does NOT require an NDA so anybody who gets it will be able to review it and talk openly about developing apps for it.

Err...good for you.

> Meanwhile at the AmigaOne display I see tumbleweeds...

I'm sure you will see exactly what you want to see, and hear exactly what you want to hear.

Kay

[Kay]

> What your saying then is that OS4 is entirely 68K then?

Wow, that's some conclusion to draw from what I said. OS4 is not 68k only, but there are components which remain 68k. I can't remember exactly which, but they were claimed not to be performance critical. Anyway, I'm guessing they wouldn't demonstrate OS4 without the 68k emulator. Whether they are able to boot it up "at home" without these components, I don't know. Maybe they are, maybe they are not, maybe they are not bothering with it until they have the emulator. It hasn't been that long since the firmware was completed, and the emulator integration is apparently  just around the corner.

> ... if it where 'all' 68K (workbench and all) then you might as well run Amithlon because the big E world is what the entire OS would be then...

Well, it isn't.

> If i had known that they NEEDED this 68K Layer to even boot the OS i'd of thought less of it from the beginning even.

I don't think they need it just to boot. To run OS4 in it's entirety though, they will need it. I guess this wasn't too clear from what I wrote. In my defence, let me say that it was really late (around 0430) when I wrote it. :-)

Kay

[Kay]

> actaully its a lay over for oses which are really dos shells. If you have a good os you dont need it.
> in either case an added advantage

I'm sorry, but I thought it was a mechanism for programs (such as for example OS components) to protect the memory they are using. This would prevent poorly programmed software from overwriting or otherwise tampering with parts of memory used by the OS (or other programs using MP). To me, this sounds vastly useful, as poorly programmed software will always exist, and this scheme would prevent one such program from bringing down other applications or, indeed, the OS itself. Now, you say it is redundant in a good OS. In that case, I have completely misunderstood what MP is, and would very much like to hear the proper explanation.

Kay

[Kay]

> I hope MorphOS's PPC implimentation isnt as primitive as AOS4's ...this whole 'lets run it all on
> an emulator' sounds a bit like Amithlon slapped onto PPC.

Oh, come on, that's not fair. To my understanding, a lot of it is PPC native by now, and certainly all the time critical parts. As far as I understood, the plan was to get everything over to PPC later on. Personally, I'd rather they leave some non-critical components in 68k and get it released ASAP, than make everything PPC native and release it 6 months later. Or even a week later. :-)

Kay