FS FAAAST ACA1232 50 MHz 128 MB RAM turbocard, faster, than Blizzard 1230 50 MHz!!

[pyrre]

ebay noooo. If i advertise on ebay  250 %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!8364;, then ebay final value fee   30 usd (27 euro), paypal fee 13 euro. 27+13=40 euro. 250-40=210 euro,   too little.

ebay price min. 340-350 euro minus fees = remain 300 euro. Min. Price 300 euro.
350 euro buy it now price = impossible. Nobody pays this much.
If i advertise 1 euro, then final price 150-200 euro, too little.

If your fear from selling on ebay is to get "only" 150-200 EUR for your aca1232. then that is the market price.
Why are you trying to inflate price................?

[pyrre]

@ Blizzard 128 MB
You can ask for any price you want. But you will never get more than the buyers are willing to pay. Regardless of what you think it is worth....
When are you going to realize it?

[pyrre]

My 1232 not overpriced. If I advertise it for 500 Euro, then overpriced, 68040 25-40 MHz cards 400-500 Euro, 68060 50-80 MHz cards 600 Euro.
The buyers paid much money (2-5× real price!) for many products already (on ebay, etc.). I saw lot unreal prices.
-- ACA500 200-300 Euro (ebay.de, original price was 80-90 Euro).
-- Vampire V2 600 472 Euro on Sept. 18., 700 Euro on Sept. 13., 825 Euro with A600 on aug. 14. (ebay, original price 150 Euro).
-- C64 reloaded motherboard 300-700 Euro (original price 160 Euro).
Etc.

Just for the fun of it....:biglaugh:

Since you clearly are selling a product made and developed by someone else, do you have license to do so at retail pricing?
Please enclose a valid certificate containing your copyrights licensing to retail these products.....

[pyrre]

The card you have pictures of is made in 2012. That means its initial purchase date is somewhat later than 2012. This means that in some European countries there are actually still warranty attached to the card.
In Norway there is a by law a 5 year warrant period from initial purchase date.

What are your arrangements with Individual computer regarding warranty claims?
Since you take a reasonably new item and tinker with it, and claim full retail price. And even surpass retail pricing of a product-line that is still being made and sold in retail stores.
There sure must be some sort of arrangement.....

[pyrre]

What do you want?

I want an actual answer to my question......

[pyrre]

As far as I understand, the CPU on the card has been exchanged by a faster CPU, and hence the card has been modified. IOWs, the warranty is void.

I don't see a problem selling a pre-owned card with a modified CPU. If the buyer wants such a card, go ahead. If the card sells for the price... well, go ahead. I just have a personal opinion on the price point, especially in comparison to existing *new* cards with similar specifications that sell *with warranty* for a comparable or lower price.

That all does not mean that the card might not be sold for this price... As a buyer I should probably check for better offers of new hardware first. If I don't... well, my own fault. I just don't want to advocate such business.

I have great complaints when someone takes a product that is being retailed, modify it and ask for a pricing higher than the retail price is.
And in the process dropping all warranties.

If it was an aging old blizzard or an Apollo, i could not care less.... but the aca's are still being made and they sell with warranties.

However, i also have complaints about Individual for not making and selling 50Mhz versions them self...

OOh... and as he comments the pricing if he puts it on ebay. he is aware of the actual value of the card. and still he tries to push an insane pricing on the market.....

[pyrre]

Sold 200 Euro, because real price 300 Euro. The buyer will sell it in later more expensive (300 Euro).
If somebody wants to sell something too cheaply, i don't care. It's none  of my business. I will not sell it at 2/3 price, I have plenty of  time.
I would have been able to sell it below 30 minutes cheaply (200 Euro).
The value of my 1232-50 card will rise and rise, because they never produce a faster card.

I hope you have plenty of time. say, .... about 25 years or so.
That's the time it will take to make this board of yours rare. Since it is still being made and retailed people will spend money on something new and with warranty...
If my choice is to pay you 300 EUR plus shipping VS paying 290 EUR (plus shipping) for something new and with warranty. I'd choose the warranty any day of the week and twice on Sunday....
I have been looking at the pictures available at the ACA 1233 cards. and it seems fairly easy to do a cpu swap and modify it to 50Mhz. It don't look to complex.

But considering the aca's are still being made and retailed new, You are never going to get back your investment in time to do the work, and that is just being honest with you. At least not as long as they are in stores. nothing wrong with your work.
But the aca's are still being made.... If i were in your shoes, id hamster these board like a mad hatter, modify and wait patiently till they are rare before selling them. then you will most likely get your money back....

[pyrre]

I can sell valuable (200-2000 Euro) things nowhere. Ebay = brutal fees, retro forums = no buyer, or rules = bullsh@@.

This is the thing about this guy i don't understand....
If it is such bull%& selling items on retro forums, then why the hell do you keep rambling on about it?

[pyrre]

I wanted to sell a rare turbocard only.

It is not rare, it is FFS still being made and retailed.....

[pyrre]

pyrre: RARE! The  original ACA1232 50 MHz card was available in November-December 2015.  only, was limited edition, 10-15 pieces, all sold (300 €). This will  never be produced already. ACA1233n 40 MHz 240 Euro! Dhrystones 9203 only. My 1232 11408.

paul1981: Why? What is amibay? This is not the most important retro site on the world. The amibay prices are not authoritative. There are cheap and expensive products everywhere. My 250 Euro price too cheap. Real price min. 300 Euro.

Faerytale: The topic lasts until somebody does not buy it.

@ Blizzard 128 MB
The board in question is still being made, it is the same board for any of the 030 cpus. It can be converted by anyone with skills, the necessary equipment end electronic components. It is not rocket science.
This makes the board pretty common....

I have two 030 rated @ 50Mhz myself, one in use in the derringer. and one spare... I even have one 50Mhz 68882....

And there is no reason to start shouting.....

[pyrre]

I was able to sell this product for less, than the expense of the purchase price and the card modification (300 €). Real price 300+ Euro.

That is the reality of modifying a product that is still being made and retailed.
You were warned. several times.
And i hope this explains to you the fact that the card ain't rare yet.....

And more over, i hope you are able to grasp the reality and acknowledge it.....

and BTW. grats for selling the card

[pyrre]

If a card limited (ACA1232 50 MHz), and all sold under 1 month (2015. dec., was 300 Euro), never more available, and I modification a 33 MHz 1232 card (original price was 155 Euro) to 50 MHz, and 100% OK, then my card rare, and real price min. 300 Euro. Thats is the reality.
The modified card is more valuable at the original card. The modification increased the value of the card.
Why does nobody understand this?

Because that is not the case. The same BASIC board is STILL BEING MADE.
If i can go to a retailer and purchase a 33mhz card and modify it to 50mhz at home, because i have the skills and the hardware required for the mod. then the card is NOT RARE.... get it?
Or do you still choose to live in denial?

If I modified a Blizzard 1240 68040 25 MHz (400 Euro) card to 68060 50-80 MHz (Blizzard 1260, 600 Euro), then I increased the value (min. 200 Euro) of the card. Many people did this already.
They sold (amibay, 600-700 Euro, 66, 75, 80 MHz) many cards already. Nobody complained that the card is modified. Everybody was glad that somebody modified the card.

Now you are talking. Blizzards went out of production in the mid 90's.
Modifying a 040 for a 060 and do the job well. then, yes... I'll agree to your increase in value. And of course, any of the blizzards are rare now days...

[pyrre]

The ACA1232 25, 33 MHz cards rarer, than the working B1240/25.
If B1240 to B1260 mofication OK, then ACA 1232 33 to 50 MHz modification OK.

The 1232 is becoming rare in the form it has gone through a revision change and the name is 1233 now.. ok i'll give you that one.
However, you can still pick up the 1232's from online auctions.

And you still neglect the fact that the aca's are still being made. someone is actually making new boards for the amiga 1200.
with or without any modification it is still retailed.
This makes the ACA's common.

The blizzards went out of production in 1998 when DCE in germany quit making them. Therefore the blizzards are rare today.

please say you understand now......