Crappy comparison of Amiga 1200 vs Atari Falcon

[pyrre]

An extremely fair and balanced article. The Flacon was horribly crippled by its memory bus, but other than that it has the chunky gfx mode, the 16bit audio, a DSP and a 68030 which were all features missing from the Amiga 1200.

The A1200 was good in spite of its design, not because of it.

Yes, an interesting article. indeed.

If Atari had made the falcon with a full 32bit data bus. the story would be totally different...

[pyrre]

Not sure why he keeps making reference to pc and mac sound cards too, saying that by the 90's the Amiga's sound was lagging behind. Maybe he doesn't know that 16-bit sound cards have always been around for the A1500/2000/3000/4000 machines. Even the wedge-cased Amiga's got 16-bit sound cards...these connected via serial/parallel, pcmcia, or clockport.

With the standard 68EC020 cpu onboard the A1200, the bus is 24 not 32-bit. Adding a cpu upgrade with fastram gives 32-bit. Unless he was referring to AGA? If he was then the falcon bus width should have been listed as 16 not 32.

Check this (very long) thread out if you fancy some Atari vs Amiga discussion/arguments/flame-wars. They talk about the Falcon vs. A1200 too later on in the thread IIRC:

http://atariage.com/forums/topic/29957-atari-st-vs-amiga/page-1?hl=fastrobplusamiga1000

Enjoy

Question:

Looking at the surface of the A1200 motherboard. you see prints next to the 020 cpu. looking like the oulines of a 6881/2 fpu. if one found a full blown MC 020 and a fpu... I wonder if it would be possible to replace the cpu and add an fpu directly to the motherboard. and would it be possible to replace the crystal with, lets say 16mhz....

I have wondered about his for many years....

[pyrre]

Yes Sir!

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=69974

I know I saw a detailed blog once but can't find it ATM....
Here's some additional Googling....http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=amiga+1200+fpu&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1

sweet.. i didn't know that.

now. next question.. is it possible to replace the cpu with a proper MC 020?
and thirdly.. is it possible to overclock the system, if so. by how much?
20mhz- 25mhz??

[pyrre]

@gizmo350 and oldsmobile_Mike
I see. pretty much stuck with the 14mhz speeds then.

[pyrre]

Add an accelerator!  

yeah.. i got one.
but i was just going to tinker about with one of the MB i have....

The thought goes:
Route the 28mhz signal from the oscillator directly to the CLK pin on the cpu. That should in theory run the cpu at 28Mhz.
and add fpu and 4/8MB trapdoor ram card....

This should work, in theory at least. and of course unless one need complicated circuits to maintain the timing with the chipset...

Would be fun to test it out, just to see if it would work....

[pyrre]

Third cup!  

Yeah, I saw that sig and was scratching my head, too.  Maybe he's trolling?  

Trolling.... WTF

Is it no longer possible to have any conversation with fellow amigans withoug getting flamed....?

[pyrre]

Trolling was my first thought also. There is no next generation Amiga talk so I figured there was a logical explanation. I refrained from using the word troll but I still made a joke of the "inconsistency" .

The whole tread was about A1200 VS Falcon....
what is then wrong in airing some thoughts about the A1200 and what it could be capable about with minimum expense?

[pyrre]

OMG, dude.  Here in the rational world, it is hard to rectify your sig (which lists many highly expanded Amiga's) with your comment of (quote) "pretty much stuck with the 14mhz speeds then."  I'm going to assume that English is not your first language, which is just fine, but if I said "Oh woe is me, I'll never be able to expand my Amiga beyond 14MHz!" and then list such powerful systems as in your signature, it's a head-scratching oxymoron, to say the least.

Or maybe we're just all old and cranky and hate seeing people who should know better asking absurd questions.

And now I need another cup of coffee.  Cheers!  

Oh wow.... I was referring to A STOCK A1200, as mentioned in the post...
What can possibly be done to an A1200 without buying expensive accelerators...

How can you relate that to my expanded a1200? the post was about stock machines....
if you cant understand something as simple as to stick with the tread... then WTF???

its best to stop here.....