Aros ppc port to ps3.Now that we have homebrew.

[nikodr]

Ps3 was hacked.Sad days for sony.I now play my original games through my usb hds,i used geohots 3.55 firmware along with some other custom firmware.

Now we have the keys of geohot and we can sign any application and run it under gameos.

Since the portal of the homebrew world has been achieved on the game os of ps3 (and this time you dont need usb dongles),and since from what i can understand in the future the other os will be recovered (there is already a port of asbestos running on phat and slim ps3) here comes my question.:

When will the ps3 port of aros come?Ps3 has ppc,there is a ppc port of aros,now that we have homebrew,we have a very fast machine like that available to run amiga aros,

Would want to hear your opinions.

[nikodr]

Ps3 was long advertized as having the otheros option to increase sales.So instead of being just a console for games it could be a productive machine.

So any port of an operating system is an option.

PS.Sony sucks as a company,for securtiy reasons they killed the otheros,but right now we can have it back.

[nikodr]

Remember the psp and gamecubes homebrew scene,we are just at the start,soon tons of applications will be ported and many things will be done.

Once there is an easy way to do cross compiling and port applications to the ps3 gameos (and i mean a standar way to do it under linux),i will try to find a way to port aros to ppc.Why not?

I think that is the future,to those who say that ps3 is only a gaming machine it is not.Sony advertized it -and i am saying this again- many years ago as having an otheros thing.

And in the end let's face it,users are in control.Sony tried to remove otheros,but the geohot exploits and custom firmwares enable us to do what we want to do in a machine that we payed so much money.

The closed source thing does no good in our ages.Let's hope that soon linux will be back on the ps3 in the form of a homebrew application,(now the only way to boot linux is via a programable usb dongle that runs asbestos)

[nikodr]

But dont you see?Ps3 ran linux quite well,it was advertized as an alternative game console :one that could be a serious computer too.With a keyboard and mouse and yellow dog linux it could do wonders.I even installed manually custom flash plugins (compile was horrible difficult to do).

ps3 is not only a game console.

[nikodr]

PS2 also ran Linux, and that didn't go anywhere. Not sure if you were around in the 80's, but practically every single console of the time had some kind of "computer expansion" - none ever took off.

The problem is a console just isn't the first place people are going to go for a computer, especially when you can just buy an actual computer (even laptops) for the same money. There's simply no advantage unless you're a poor college student, and even most of those seem to opt for laptops. I won't even get started on the warranty issues.

Well i just believe that the homebrew revolution will change all that.

From a practical sense then there is no need to spend money on amigas or retro hobies?But we do spend large sums of money for our retro needs .Right?For the same ammount a ppc blizzard card costs one can buy a pc that is 10 times more powerful.But all is not like that.There is another kind of value here.

Ps3 is a powerful media console and gaming machine,having access to third party os like aros would not be bad.I believe if ppc ports exist and now that the ps3 is open all kind of posibilities are open.Also it is a cheap blue ray player.

Well certainly i understand now that companies like hyperion or the morphos team can't sell copies of their os on a port to ps3 as this would require an official acceptance from sony (and it would be expensive too).But for the homebrew community and for anything that goes under the linux way (that is gpl or open source) why not?Is sony going to sue us if we port aros to ps3?

[nikodr]

Yes that can happen under linux,but now that the hypervisor no longer prohibits access to the rsx and 3d acceleration is possible i think an aros version running under gameos without the need to load linux.Wouldn't that be better?

[nikodr]

People seem to forget one thing,the amount of ps3 sold over those years.I know that there are plenty of them out there,so i dont think that one should go out and buy it just to run aros,but one that already has it -and we are talking about milions of machines sold- could just install it.
See the difference?

[nikodr]

Are you capable of either coding the port or paying someone who is to do it?

For coding graphics drivers no.But if and when the required skd libraries for cross compiling are available to the users i will have no problem to setup the sdk and start porting it.I could use my ps3 to test the port.So while i cant code gfx driver,under linux i could try to port it.

Seriously i believe in the next months an explosion of homebrew will happen on ps3,and people are really close to bring back linux without the hypervisor reistricting access to 3d.

Nicholas if you remember : back there used to be some 3d graphics coding under linux and sony killed it with firmware updates,so i believe there are people out there that know.

Maybe we should try to find them.

[nikodr]

Just found this http://psl1ght.com/ this is what i have been looking for.It seems that it enables user to code programs that would run under gameos,that is a kind of sdk.I will try to install it along with anything else and try to go from there.

[nikodr]

Go for it. I don't think Nicholas was trying to discourage you. But if anyone want to try, again, why not?

I am installing the sdk under ubuntu right now,since it is over 2.3 gigabytes of data it will sure take time,but it seems to install ok.After i manage to install the examples i will try to get aros on it.I take it that aros works under framebuffer if no 3d acceleration is found?While there is some 3d access i dont know if it is enough for it to run on gameos.In which aros forum should i post if need any help?

I want to do the port,if no gfx drivers are required i believe i can do the port.

[nikodr]

Wow! For today, you are my hero.

It appears that there is some problem in the ftp server of suse,and it halts when it downloads some files....damn will have to retry later...

[nikodr]

Sdk installed succesfuly.I tested to make the applications included and they seem to compile ok generating the needed elf files,i also downloaded the utilities geohot used and others to make pkg files,so the next step is that i am downloading the aros source for ppc from http://aros.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/nightly-download?20110120/Binaries/AROS-20110120-linux-ppc-system.tar.bz2 once it is downloaded i will try to make a configure for a ps3 output and see what it does.

Will notify all.Let's pray this works.

EDIT: I am not trying to be a smart guy or something,i just need all the help i can get for this.I know it may sound strange to want to port aros to ps3,but if someone can help practically and offer some advice i would be glad to have it.I dont want to make you have other opinions regarding the state of ps3 if it a good console computer or something.I believe as a hobby idea it would be cool and fun to watch sony's machine to run aros

[nikodr]

As a hobby project it's well worth a try.

If you're having fun, who cares if its "worth while" to other people.

Thanks.Now i really need the original source code of aros,most of those ppc versions require linux,i want to do something different,i want to port it and make an executable for xmb game os,so i think i need the original sources of aros without any linux on them.

so are those the files
http://aros.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/nightly-download?20110120/Sources/AROS-20110120-source.tar.bz2 ?

[nikodr]

yes those are the nightly sources. tho you would be best signing up for the dev-ml and asking questions there.

Thanks for that will check it out later.It appears the sdk is installed ok,i can output any program i want and i get an elf file for ps3,i also now have the geohot utilities for making pkg files.Now i need help to setup a different configure file that would understand the ps3 sdk parameters,now this is where i need help.

I went to the people of ps1ght sdk joined irc and asked them questions,let's hope we get some answers,i will probably go to the dev-ml like you said.

If you know anyone who can help me in this please send me a message and tell me who to talk to.
Kind regards.

[nikodr]

This board is infamous for having 50 tools telling you not to bother and insulting you and your 5 next of kin for trying.  Be prepared...

One time there was this guy named Dennis who said he could make an Amiga clone using an fpga.  You should have seen how many people ended up with pie in their face.  Look up "Minimig" for reference. ;-)

Thanks for the kind words,i will try to see what i can come up with.I now managed to build my first pkg file.So i got familiar with how to make pkg signed for geohot 3.55 firmware or unsigned for the new hacked firmwares.

Now let's hope the developers of the sdk provide some help.