Amiga USB

[Darrin]

rkauer wrote:
 Spider?

 And how do you get Poseidon to run?

 The author don't allow registration for Mediator users anymore!

There's an obvious solution to that, and the author only has himself to blame.

[Darrin]

Piru wrote:
Excuse me?

I think I've made myself quite plain.  If anyone feels any guilt over it then they can always mail him $10.

[Darrin]

Piru wrote:No. I want you to spell it out for me. Are you advocating piracy?

If you do, I'd suggest using some other forums to do that.

I know you want me to spell it out, because you want to cry to the mods and have me banned.  Sorry, but I don't play the games of children.

I don't advocate piracy, but I will suggest the ONLY solution.  The reason this is the ONLY solution is because of the sad attitude of "a certain person", which quite frankly reflects the growing cancer that has infected the Amiga community and which keeps holding us back.

Have I made myself clear now?

[Darrin]

Piru wrote:

I've already reported this, like any other thread advocating piracy.

Good for you.  I hope you'll sleep better tonight.  

Say, you also advocate pirating MiamiDX and other applications that are no longer available?

I don't advocate anything, but if someone has no legal means to obtain some software and has exhausted all of the alternatives then I can't blame them if they decide to use a copy instead, but I'd hope that if the product became available again then they would buy it.

So, do you advocate Hodge's attidute towards the Mediator and it's users?

[Darrin]

Piru wrote:
What I think is irrelevant.

We agree there.

He has every right to do whatever he pleases. It is his software.

Unfortunately you are right.  However, USB users can always decide to work around his attitude.

This website does not allow piracy.

And?

If you have some issues with Platon42, fine so be it.

Only over childish actions like not registering Mediator users.  It's a shame, because his USB stack is the best one available (so I hear) and is essential for adding modern functionality to classic Amigas.  Still, boys with their toys...

Just don't go on some power trip advocating piracy.

I haven't.  It's just you're so quick to defend your "friend" that you're happy to slander me.  I'll just assume that it is  amiunderstanding on your part and that it's down to your poor grasp of English because the alternative is that you are sadly lacking in the personality department (and that's about as polite as I can put it).

[Darrin]

mboehmer_e3b wrote:
Your attitude smells like a dead fish... do you have the same attitude to other goods, too, like this?

Like I give a toss what you think about my attitude.

"I have no legal means to obtain a car and have exhausted all of the alternatives. So I have stolen one now, and I use it, but be sure the day I can legally buy it I will spend my money to the guy I have stolen the car from."

That's a straw man arguement and if that's the way your "brain" thinks then there's no point explaining what I wrote.

Don't point to others and complain while in the same posting you admit doing piracy.

Someone has to.  All the sucking up going on in this thread is what stinks.  Please point out where I admit doing piracy.  Either STFU and stop slandering me or learn to read.  I do not pirate software.  When you earn a six figure salary then you have no need.

[Darrin]

motorollin wrote:
It is nobody's business but Platon42's who he chooses to sell his product to and how much he charges. If you don't like it, write your own USB stack.

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moto

That's nice.  I guess you support racism too as it's up to the BNP/KKK etc who they hate and don't hate.

Discrimination against Mediator users is not a policy you expect from a professional.

[Darrin]

motorollin wrote:
Don't you dare to put those words in my mouth. I support no such organisations. Furthermore you know very well that there is a big difference between somebody choosing not to do business with a company which he/she feels is behaving unethically (in this case Elbox) and an organisation which engages in an active hate campaign.

If you lot want to slander me by calling me a software pirate then you had better be prepared to take the same back.  Again, I asked you "if" and didn't say "did".  Learn to read.

Again, this isn't a case of not doing business with Elbox, it's against not supporting Amiga users because they bought some hardware that he doesn't approve of.  Elbox make their money off the hardware, Chris is simply {bleep}ting on their customers.  See the difference?

Read the details on Chris's web site and you will see who was behaving unprofessionally.

I have and his twisted facts don't do him any favours.

On a more pleasant note, supposing someone downloads the evaluation version of his stack from Aminet and then registers it using the "Full personal registration (standard fee 38 EUR) NOT FOR ELBOX PRODUCTS)" option on his site, then will the stack work on the Mediator or has he inserted some code to prevent it?

[Darrin]

Glittering wrote:
What elbox did was scummy but making ordinary users suffer is wrong but as this is the Amiga market being unreliable is trendy and sexy.

That's my point.  Not registering the stack is hurting Amiga users, and not Elbox.  Elbox get the cash for the hardware and the user gets discriminated against by Chris.

[Darrin]

keropi wrote:
@ Darrin :

1. mboehmer_e3b offers more to the amiga community than you would in 100 years with your six figure salary.

I'm the "end user" and without people like me then there would never have been a community and there never will be a community.

2. platon42 also offers more to the amiga community than you would in 100 years with your six figure salary. you cannot judge them. it is beyond your power to do that, and you look foolish.

Zzzzzz.  Se above.  Obviously you have no comprehension of what is in my power and your bum-sucking is what looks foolish from my angle.

3. you obviously don't know what happened so don't try your lame "racism" excuses, you still look like a fool. better get all the facts first, think and then come boasting about your "beliefs" (that are completelly wrong ofcourse).

And you're obviously making lame excuses to support your biased position.  Try being objective and think about your precious community rather that adopting a childish attitude to those you "think" are beneath you.

[Darrin]

motorollin wrote:
Please direct me to the post where I called you a software pirate.

YOU didn't and my words were "you lot" meaning that those of you putting me under fire for daring to have an option that doesn't match your commie ideals have been saying that I condone piracy and mboemher even tells me "you admit doing piracy." which I don't.  Still having reading trouble?

Yes, I'm sure Chris is cutting off a portion of the userbase (and thus a source of income) just to spite the users :roll:

Yes, he effectively is.  He want's to kill a deer and to do so he's poisioning all of the plants.  Sarcasm wont help you defend this.

his twisted facts don't do him any favours.

How do you know they are twisted? Do you know something Chris doesn't?[/quote]

I've read both sides of the story and CH's lack of cooperation and his over inflated ego seems to be the major problem.  I don't blame Elbox for having a hard time dealing with him.

[Darrin]

motorollin wrote:

Darrin wrote:

motorollin wrote:
Please direct me to the post where I called you a software pirate.

YOU didn't

And yet you had the audacity to accuse me of supporting the KKK. I see no purpose to continuing this conversation since you are clearly the type of person who lashes out at others with unfounded claims when your argument is disputed.

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moto

Good.  Leave me to debate this with people who understand (or want to understand) what I'm saying.

Note:  I said "I guess you support racism too as it's up to the BNP/KKK etc who they hate and don't hate."

Do you see the "I guess".  Do you know the difference between a statement and suggestion?  To you understand "context" and how it was used in the BNP/KKK remark?  Obviously not.

Yes, it's better you leave while you're losing.

[Darrin]

uncharted wrote:
Darrin, I don't understand.  There is this "obvious solution" you mention in your first post.  You won't state what it is.  People have come to the obvious conclusion that the "obvious solution" is piracy, but that is somehow insulting and slanderous to you.

So if this proposed "solution" is not piracy, then what is it and what possible reason would you have for not stating it?

If the "solution" is in fact piracy then why are you so insulted by a statement of fact?

I can't see your logic.

My solution is to obtain an unlocked version by whatever means necessary if CH refuses to register and unlock your copy on the grounds that you own an Elbox product.

I've already asked if "telling a fig" on the registration page will allow the stack to be used with the Mediator and nobody has answered yet.  If the only solution is obtaining a key from another source then so be it.  If person who does this doesn't want to be a "pirate" then they can do what I suggested and mail CH some cash in an unmarked envelope.

CH has engineered this problem himself.  I'm just suggesting solutions.  Personally, it doesn't affect me as I don't own anything that requires CH's stack to run.  I'm just pissed off with the whole Amiga community attitude that allows instances like this to go unchallenged.

If CH has a problem with Elbox then he can put a "ELBOX SUCKS" banner at the top of his registration page along with an explaination of why he thinks they suck.  Discriminating against certain Amiga users is not what I expect from a mature adult trying to run a business.

Let me just say a big "THANK YOU" for questioning my stance in a polite and civil manner.  There are people on this thread that could learn a lot about debating by reading your posts.

[Darrin]

Zac67 wrote:
@Darrin
Please go away, we've heard enough crap from you.

I don't do requests and I'm entitled to post here as much as you are (within the guidelines).

[Darrin]

Kronos wrote:
I somehow think you just don't (want to) get it:
Spider-users had the chance to register for quite a long time.
Chris made it clear that he wouldn't support the Spider forever.
Chris does make it clear that Poseidon can't be registered for the Spider anymore.
Elbox is still selling Spiders without telling their costumers   that it can't be made useable.

Oh, I get it.  However, the Spider is still available for sale and all the divers necessary for it already exist.  Chris had just picked on the Spider to stop support for "personal issues".  Why would anybody want to support Chris stack when there's always a chance that he'll have more "personal issues" with another company?

I agree (from looking at the site) that Elbox should make a note that CH is discriminating against their customers as it is an important fact.

It's like buying a "new" Amiga advertised as render-machine and than complaining at Maxon that the newest version of Cinema4D doesn't work on it ......

Not quite.  The Spider used to work and there's no reason why it shouldn't continue to work with CH's stack other than CH himself.  Nobody is asking him to write any drivers for it, but just accept money and send out a key file.

A small as this community is, I don't understand why people are putting personal feelings in the way of business (and I'm not just talking about USB here).