MUI 5.0-2016R3 for AmigaOS4/PPC and AmigaOS3/m68k released

[pVC]

i hear you loud and clear, and you're right on the money. MUI5 is terrific for AOS4; and AOS3, too, when used under emulation, but on a A1200 it's a tad much. i'll make sure a disclaimer is in future update-related posts similar to the one in this one....


can you recommend a better disclaimer text?

-- eliyahu

Maybe it could also mention about MUI 3.8, which works on classic systems and which is enough for classic software, if this disclaimer was for those who don't know what's going on and maybe think that MUI is MUI.

[pVC]

TBH I always thought MUI was a developer tool for people that couldn't actually code, but could wave a mouse and click occasionally. To the extent that if an app needed MUI, I just didn't bother with that tool. Quite a Luddite attitude to some, but... I guess I wasn't interested in a flash GUI that spent all it's time and resources looking pretty.

Heh, not at all. MUI was (and still is) an advanced and powerful GUI toolkit which just offers much more than other toolkits did at that time. Although it was relatively easy for programmers, it doesn't mean it was for those who can't code, and there wasn't mouse involved with the coding... I don't know where did you get that

Beauty of MUI is that programmers don't have to make eyecandy and flashy or themeable GUI:s themselves, they just code the programs, but then users can configure and make whatever they want to the look of a program. Users can configure the looks of all MUI programs by global prefs, but they also can override them for each single program or even window. It's quite win-win situation, because coders can go with less work, but users have more options to tune the look/functionality of programs to their liking.

The original MUI isn't that heavy with basic settings. Of course it doesn't run well on 68000, but 020 or above isn't problem. MUI became quite a de facto standard on later days and you wouldn't have practically any Internet software without it, or pretty lonely with them at least It was a good thing for higher end Amigas and later days/future.

[pVC]

I must admit for me as a *USER* MUI was always a PITA. Bad performance with my 030/25 MHz days, always crashing somewhere etc. pp. And for having a nice and powerful *developer* GUI toolkit I as a *USER* should pay for a keyfile? No, never ever.

I've started to look MUI programming only recently, but I still have always loved to USE it. It just offers so much more to user than any other toolkits on Amiga, or anywhere. I don't have similar crashy experiences with it like you, and I rather pick up MUI version of everything.

Some 3rd party MUI classes can be buggy (some are known to be and are avoidable), but that's not MUI's fault if someone else messes stuff.

About the keyfile... well, programs are fully usable without it and it isn't required for developer or user. It only offers easier customizing option to user if he wants such, so maybe it's fair that he'd pay for it if he wants it?

[pVC]

Source that says that IB2.5 will require MUI 5?

They've been discussing about it on IBrowse mailing list recently. Thore of course is talking for MUI5, but some others have expressed their worries. Oliver still considers if they still should have 3.8 support or not, and has been asking comments how MUI4/5 performs on real systems. I don't remember now if they did make their final decision, but at least it starts to sound that they'll likely be going for MUI5 route...

From fear of getting too far off-topic, when should we expect the new IB?  I have been waiting for... well, a really damn long time.

Comment from Oliver:

"Although IB2.5 is largely ready for
release there are some things that need doing first, like updating the
versions of jpeglib, libpng and zlib currently in use. Not a massive job,
but it makes no sense doing things like this until a definite release date
is made. It is largely the AmiSSL progress that prompted me to get the
source code repo sorted out as this will be the first step required towards
making a release possible. Also, I need to figure out if we still need to
support MUI 3.8, now that 4 and 5 have been released for 68k."