The MorphOS lust may soon be over...

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What I want to do is FIRST before deciding to register it is test old games on it. For example, I want to test Super stardust aga and other AGA games and see how good the performance is. People have told me they can run any amiga games on morphos even with a 1.25ghz emac like I'll be getting and I just find that hard to believe. on a 2.0 ghz pentium pc aga games lag and work pretty crappy. Maybe powerpc is just that much better?

I want to try aga demos and all the old classic stuff too.

As MorphOS itself doesn't emulate original Amiga's chipset, you have to use UAE for HW hitting games and demos. I think that platform doesn't affect to that that much, raw power is what counts mostly... and state of the emulator. Currently E-UAE doesn't have JIT like WinUAE, so don't expect miracles when comparing to it. But otherwise E-UAE from Fab is solid work as usual... and there is project getting JIT on it too, but it's in early beta stage.

I haven't used UAE much on any platform, but what I've tried few times, it's been OK on Mac mini at least.

In short, I want to use morphos for my all things amiga box (new and old)

New stuff which works directly under MorphOS without external emulator is very quick. Many apps do work, but games/demos supporting RTG/AHI are bit rarer. There are few good ones working nicely though. For demos I'll recommend to check this: http://amiga.bbs.fi/demopack_morphos/

I've been a big aros supporter for years but no really, I need a modern browser and other things aros just can't do.

MorphOS has the best browser situation of all amigaish platforms, but it still can't do everything what you can do on mainstream platforms. But for me it's been enough now and I haven't had to go on other systems for a long time. Be sure to update OWB to latest available version, because MorphOS itself comes with a bit old version currently. And update & take in use the external scripts too to get best performance from youtube etc (btw. watch videos in full screen (overlay) mode, that makes miracles to cpu usage).

Plus I'm hoping for SOME new software. I also want to control a windows xp extra box through remote desktop, use google docs for anything like that I need...

Those work nicely. MorphOS includes rdesktop and OWB should work with Google docs.

telnet to bbs systems, (is there a telnet client for morphOS?) YES! I want the elusive every day machine...

You have to use old Amiga telnet clients... AmTelnet or DCTelnet are ok for bbs use.

If the 1.25ghz emac won't do what I need its a shame, those are kinda sexy even with the big honking crt. Anyhow, at least I'll get to finally try it and decide if buying a supported g5 mac would be a good option to finally get a box to do everything amiga... (and more!)

Yeah, test it properly how you like it. I myself would rather take something else with modern display. I find MorphOS nice and enough for everything I want to do and having boosted up Amiga experience, but as an Amigan you know that you have to accept that you still can't do every single things you could do on mainstream OS.

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Here's another stupid question, but what joysticks work with morphOS? do the competition pro usb joysticks work?

Yes they do work. Any HID compatible USB controller works.

MorphOS is really barren in comparison. My first suggestion to the MorphOS team is include more apps. This is really light on software. Maybe thats good so you can build your own system, but to a new morphos user, its not encouraging.

I think there's lots of nice software on the ISO. For example Flacapella, Jalapeno, OWB, RDesktop, RemoteShell, SCANdal, Scribble, ShowGirls, Sketch, Transfer, VPDF, Jukebox... actually what else you could hope that much more? I think almost all areas you'll need for basic usage are covered. Only thing missing I can figure now is movie player, but it's for licencing issues. You'll need to install more software on Windows installation than on MorphOS to get started

Wierd but youtube videos do not play... Just kind of hangs, few minute wait and video still does not start... Thats a big dissapointment because that was one thing I hate about AROS...

Anyone know why or is there some settings I need to tweak?

As I said in the first page of this thread, you'll need to update the latest OWB and its scripts.

Visit http://fabportnawak.free.fr/owb/ and http://fabportnawak.free.fr/owb/scripts/ and read the OWB readme for youtube part!

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First of all, youtube videos does not work. I'm going to try spoofing as ipad but so far, youtube videos do not play, and that was one of the big selling points to me since AROS can not view youtube videos (yet)

Did you do the steps I've given earlier? But anyway, YouTube changes its internals every other day to get rid of anything else than "official way", so sometimes it's a bit catching game with user scripts. If you find embedded way too hard, maybe you could try GetVideo to play videos... although it has also stopped to show some videos for me just recently. Earlier it did work just perfectly for years.

Next, the spareness of the initial install means you can't really try much out, other than checking out the system core stuff like utilities...

Hope you did find that Applications dir too, but next step is to install Grunch and visit MorphOS-files. Anyway this shouldn't be any problem if you're used classic Amiga ever.

Unfortunately, no support for airport card means no wifi. I've moved this machine upstairs and since I have no wired ethernet or hubs this means no internet with morphOS.

You can get it into WLAN with handy mini routers like Asus WL-330N or with similar cheaper options from TP-link etc. Internal Airport support might come later, but as it's Broadcom chipset, you don't get needed data to support it without bleed.

The other thing is themes and the look and feel. Yep just don't like it.
Appears to MACLIKE to me. Why folders and not drawers?

It's just cosmetics which can be changed.

No screen dragging?

Just like mostly on RTG systems on classic Amigas, screen dragging is lost. But there are solutions if you really want it back. Take a look on Dragon.

Anyone have a list of system friendly 68k apps I can try out?

What I have installed for example: FXPaint2, PPaint 7.x, ArtEffect4, ImageFX 4.5, Photogenics 5, Elastic/Fantastic Dreams, TV-Paint, GIF-Toolkit, Real3D 3, AMPlifier, AmigaAMP, GoldED, PageStream, AmigaWriter, FinalWriter, FryingPan, MakeCD, TurboCalc, P96Speed, VirusZ, IBrowse, AmTelnet, DCTelnet, Magellan2, NetInfo, SimpleMail, RC-ftpd, smbfs, netfs, Xami, wu-ftpd... few games like Earth 2140, HBMonopoly, Myst, dynAMIte, Payback, Feeble Files... at least those are on my start menus, probably lot more on separate dirs. And dozens of cli commands...

And many 68k programs have native MorphOS ports nowadays, like AmIRC, WookieChat, SimpleMail, YAM, SongPlayer, CED, Diavolo etc...

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Anyone who replies to someone having a problem with "RTFM noob" should be savagely beaten over the head with the FM.

Although it feels possible that the FM hasn't been read here now... TFM contains very detailed info about YouTube playback and enabling/updating the scripts. Problems sound like the advice wouldn't have been used.

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And while we're on that subject don't go attacking a new users because who thinks "Gee my browser is not working right, let me update my user scripts" Any other OS system, the browser just works right from a clean
install, so there. Sorry this does not work from a clean install, but it does not work right.

Well, we all have been helpfully saying that update the scripts all the time in this thread. We're sorry that Flash is closed source and YouTube is a bitch, can't do much for it. Companies behind aren't interested to support marginal systems or even being nice for 3rd party support.

And geez, people are sure critical. Sorry I haven't drank the cool aid from either the red or blue camps so I'm still allowed to think independantly and have an opinion, even if you don't like it. I'm allowed to think it looks too mac like or that I don't like the look of the ugly window decorators. Yes you can change it? Great, but I'm allowed say I don't like the default look.

Calm down, nobody isn't arguing about that. I don't use default theme either, because I think it's a bit too candy like.

On the chrystalis pack, someone here besides me said its a huge mess. Don't assume user error when others are saying it borks the whole system...

I think most of us are a bit sceptical about Chrysalis pack, that's why we haven't been recommending to install it. At least I'd wait few days it coming stable from the beta stage.
 

So far, both the browser does not work right, and the "upgrade pack" everyone said should be the first thing you install totally screwed up my system

I think we didn't say it should be installed.. and elsewhere it's usually said that it's good for testing before building own setup and that it may cause problems. Anyway it should do that much harm to test on first install because it's not that big step to start over if you don't like that.

Sorry for the negative feelings, but I think we've tried to stay realistic here...

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Milkytracker and several other things I tried to run would not work, needed a different version of the sdl library. I create most of my music with trackers, and no not octamed, but any xm compattible tracker (skale, renoise, ft2, madtracker or milky) so milkytracker not working, not good. Will try dosbox and ft2 tomorrow night.

Which version of powersdl.library do you have installed? Dosbox is probably too slow for anything with that CPU.

UAE - Can someone tell me how to set the paths right to find the rom files

Edit your UAE config file (.uaerc or if you use separate config then some .conf file). There's line: kickstart_rom_file=path:to/romfile
If you have your ROM in your UAE dir you can use PROGDIR path. For example:
kickstart_rom_file=PROGDIR:Roms/Kick40068

and how can I run adf files?

Look at the Bonus dir in your E-UAE installation, there's instructions how to add E-UAE launching for ADF files in Ambient. After that you can double click ADF files to run them, or right click to get different options to run it (A1200 vs A500 environment).

Sorry but Icaros lets you insert your amiga forever cd and it installs everything beautifully...

Well, maybe E-UAE could have some installer to be easier, but it's not OS's job to do that. It's probably more important in AROS to have the emulation setted up in first place, because it isn't binary compatible otherwise. In MorphOS you can run Amiga software directly, so it probably hasn't been that important to everyone. At least I just use UAE for occasional tests only and do real gaming/demos on real Amigas... never felt that comfortable with any UAE variation.

And I'm sorry to compare this to icaros but I've been using icaros for years and these things just come already set up and working. No hassle or hair pulling required, so this is another negative for me so far.

BTW. is this Icaros thing official base setup for AROS or rather like Chrysalis pack on MorphOS?

Next bit of criticism is on games. While its nice that people ported stuff, I don't want to spend hours hunting down game data files... most of the good
game ports you'll need to hunt down original copies of those games to get the morphos versions to work, which is quite frankly in my opinion, another project I don't need since I already have enough problems to try and fix with this.

I'd find it surprising if AROS or some other versions would have made the deals to distribute those copyrighted data files, but is it really so? Unless there's licence, then it's illegal to have them spreaded with the game ports. If the game needs separate freeware data files, then the link is provided with the port. Anyway, I can't see how this could differ between platforms.