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Demand for a BBS?
« on: March 12, 2007, 09:31:13 PM »
I was wondering...as I am presently setting up a little BBS.

Is there any demand for an oldschool BBS at all? I know we've moved forward to this internet thing here...but still. Personally I never quite got the feeling of community I had back in the days of the BBS.

In any case.. here are my questions:
1- Would you use a telnet BBS?
2- What would make you use such a system?
3- Would you contribute to keep the site up?
4- What do you expect in terms of file transfers?
5- Doors?


 

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Re: Demand for a BBS?
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2007, 12:12:58 AM »
I've never heard of an Amiga RIP terminal...there's a project for ya! :)

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Here's my plan so far:
[Interface]
First get an ANSI version up and running. Then start to work on an Amiga-Compatible version (ascii, with the backslash style of the amiga scene). A RIP version would be a distant third.

[Doors]
Trade Wars 2002, Legend Of The Red Dragon, Barren Realms Elite. These are the doors I used to play way back when. I don't know of any other fun doors... so place suggestions!

[Files]
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The board is presently online and fully functional, albeit with the stock menus in. They look terrible! I only need to fiddle around with that a little and then I can put it up!



 

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Re: Demand for a BBS?
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2007, 01:22:42 AM »
There....edited.
 

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Re: Demand for a BBS?
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2007, 01:39:22 PM »
@McVenco look for The Draw on google, it's freeware and it rocks.
 

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Re: Demand for a BBS?
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2007, 05:45:43 PM »
My first topic to reach two pages. *sheds a tear*

Seriously though. I'm pretty excited about the response. I though I would have more of the "look bro, we's gots the interwebs" replies :) Although I can totally understand the point of view, I think BBS's and forums are quite different, if only for the fact that a BBS is semi-private.

[Files]
Someone suggested no ratio. Although I'm very tempted by this as I don't believe in 'charging' people....I don't want the BBS to become just a copy of Aminet where ppl download but never contribute. I'd keep a low ratio, but I'd like users to send in files once in a blue moon.

[Messages]
I won't be making too many messages boards at first. When a BBS is running in the ~20 users zone, you can't have 30 message sections or it'll feel quite empty. I'd rather add as we go along then try to set up the uber-bbs where everything is already there.

[Doors]
Yes... I am using a PeeCee for the BBS. So I can only run PC doors. Although running a CNet BBS is tempting, I use my 1200 too much to sacrifice it entirely for a BBS. Furthermore, I reboot the machine way too often for it to hold a BBS. My PC can run the BBS in the background with nearly no speed loss, and I don't have to configure 70 different things for it to work.
 

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Re: Demand for a BBS?
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2007, 11:01:38 AM »
I dunno... last time I tried to make ANSIs on Amiga... they didn't show up very well on other computers. There were quite a number of compatibility problems back then.... But I'll give it a try.. see if that's fixed.
 

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Re: Demand for a BBS?
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2007, 09:32:49 PM »
Nice! Lots of good ideas being thrown around.. I like that :)

@itix
You are the living proof that we need ratios. Why do you think everything is available for your leeching pleasure on the internet? Because there are still a few dedicated souls out there who take the time to *upload*. If nobody upload files, there are no files to download. I completely disagree with your philosophy. I think it is rather shallow and selfish, and it is one of the reason why there is no sense of community anymore: because people don't contribute.
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About the 800 number. It IS a good idea, but I don't think I'm ready to shell out some of my hard earned cash to setup something that may very well fall flat on its face. I think it has to do with your potential user base. I'm aiming at the Amiga community. And as much as we love thinking we're an army, in reality we're but a small bunch of people scattered all over the globe. The simplest, and free, way to reach everyone is the internet. This forum is a rather brilliant example of that.

I do really agree with the fact that the SysOp needs to be very present, at least at the beginning, to make sure it grows to a point where the BBS community generates its own activity.

The software I chose, Synchronet, offers a lot of expandability. You can access the filebase by FTP, you can access the message boards on the web, it supports IRC, unlimited nodes, pop3, ssh, telnet and of course, dialup. So if the BBS should prove popular, there's quite a number of options for expansion.

Also, this is a very small operation. I'm not trying to make a huge juggernaut of a system. Mostly because I don't think people will flock to it in any case. And I also do plan to continue living normally, so using my own phone line would be rather impractical and mu budget doesn't allow for a second phone line at the moment.

As for the montly plans for an 800 number. These require that ~20$/node be paid each month. There are various reasons why I want to stay away from dialup as much as I can. First and foremost is the cost of setting the hardware and phone lines up. Second, I'd most likely have to make the board users contribute financially every month and this is also a no no to me. I don't want to have a business, I want to have fun with a couple of like-minded people. Furthermore these plans are time-limited. 1000 minutes for 20$ for 30 days. That's roughly 33 minutes per day. So *every* users would have to share that 33 minutes until another 20$line and 20$ modem are brought in. And even then it only makes the BBS freely available one hour each day. It's just not practical unless there is a lot of money involved and a strong community to support it.

I also chose telnet because it's one of the oldest protocols (1968 I think?) still supported. Every OS (well except Vista...heh...good!) has a host of telnet clients available for free. Whereas a dialup will require people buy a modem before being able to log on.

The reason why most telnet BBS feel like "interneted" crap is because they are exactly that. Most of them use the stock menus and configuration. To me, a BBS is like an amiga, it's a little thing thats fun to tweak add personalize. I'm presently in the processing of de-grading the software. I'm editing the java sources to remove the more "modern" stuff that wasn't part of the old BBS scene. There's also a crapload of ansi menus to change if this system is to have a personality all its own.

I do plan to "animate" the BBS though. MOD-making contests, 32 color image contests, Global War toureys... Y'know, try to make it fun so people WANT to contribute to the board. Try to find a recipe that would make users connect 3-4-5 times a day like we used to back then..."just to check if Dude X replied to my message". Im also keepnig the number of nodes low because I do want people to get a "system is full" message once in a while. Remember the time spent in your "Comm" program redialing 87 times in a row until you went "OMG OMG OMG IM IN!!!!!" and then everything inside the BBS seemed so much more exciting? Ahhhh memories :)

Ok this post is getting way too long. heh.
 

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Re: Demand for a BBS?
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2007, 10:54:47 PM »
@Piru
I wasn't trying to insult Itix. Sorry if it came out this way. I stand by my opinion though. Ratios are often necessary to avoid an all-out lack of contribution. In a pefect world, we'd have more people develop nifty pieces of software like those and distribute them freely. I find that very noble indeed and wished I had half the talent of the guy to provide the community with such software.

But yknow.. I've been using computers for over 20 years now and I can't even count the number of times great softwares were abandoned before they could reach their full potential because the developers didn't have support from the community. If you make it "free", people will not contribute, except the few rare souls with an heart of gold.  An example could be this very forum. It registers 5000 users and I only see 6 people in the thank you list for donations.

Ratios don't imply that you cannot get the software, and they don't need to be high either. They simple nudge people into contributing a little to the file base. My favorite amiga BBS died in 1992 because of over-leeching.

The idea is not necessarily to restrict file access, but rather to reward people who contribute. Any other viable reward system would do I guess. It's just that ratios are a built-in part of 99% of the BBS packages.

I just want to avoid putting lots of effort into "giving" something to "the community" and end up with just another download site, especially since this is hosted on my computer.

In the end if it proves to be such a sensitive issue, I'll simply not have a file base. Then I would have a forum. So might as well do it on the web. So might as well drop the idea since we have such a great forum here.