New Owner of Amiga.org to be on Amiga Roundtable.

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I'm routing for ,His Holiness, the Great Spaghetti Monster!

Blessed art thou touched by His Noodly Appendage brother.  May amiga.org be so blessed.

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Unfortunately it seems this way.

BTW curious thing the aw.net fallout. MobbyG leaving and all that. Must be a coincidence, surely.

We will see what will become of amiga.org.

I am still puzzled by this.  I don't think he was vilified.  MobbyG has every right to his opinion of course.

I was even more puzzled by the press release that started that thread.  I'm not sure if it could have been written any worse than it was.  It was bound to cause an uproar as written.  And I don't think it takes a genius to see that.  Now one may argue that a person should not have to take the community's shortcomings into account when writing something like that.  But even if you grant that, there is still the reality to deal with that writing stuff like that is going to get people talking, get them asking questions, and even disagreeing with you!

Whoever the new owner is here, I wish them the best of luck.

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In fact the, at the time, prospective buyer, contacted me via PM on this site back in October I think. Their identity was unknown to us all via the account that sent the PM and still is. I mean we all chatted back and forth with guesses from everything from Bill to John C. Dvorak of all people. Who the hell knows. I really just hope that by the end of the recording this Sunday, I don't walk away feeling like more of a pawn that I already do now.

You guys have at least verified with Wayne that that account really is the new owner though right?

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You are kidding, right?

Normally I would not ask such, just assuming someone would verify that first.  But stranger things have happened in the Amiga community unfortunately.  

But I'll take that as you have verfied.  Cool.  If it is Bill though that will be kind of funny, since he is a part of the show already.  lol

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Frak!

Yeah, as Sean said, we have been kind of kicking it around as to who the new owner is. I have a theory the owner is in Europe. Just by replies sent to us in PM and the grammar and such. Not sure how right I am but I'll find out Sunday.

As will all of you... *DRAMATIC ORGAN MUSIC*
(Sorry.. I was watching Cat in The Hat last night)

If your theory is correct it does not sound like Bill P.

With that in mind is there any reason why Bill P. will not just deny it already if it is not him?  He dropped a hint iirc as if he at least knows more than you other guys from the show do.

I hope this is not another prank like in the last episode about having info on Hyperion's project.

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You are in fact incorrect. I dropped no hint anywhere. DiscreetFX does not comment on rumors and speculation.

Actually you have commented on rumors you've wished to debunk quite a bit.  I'm confused why you would not just debunk this one if untrue as well?

Here is what I took as a hint:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5159&start=80#69171

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Well forgive me, but saying:


"We made the mistake of showing him all the relevant good and bad Amiga community websites a few months ago for reasons that will become crystal clear very soon."


certainly sounds to me as if you know more about things related to Amiga websites than others from the show.  And your show is very soon.

It certainly sounds like a statement looking for interest and wondering what it might mean at the least.  I may have misinterpreted the hint, but it still reads like a hint of something to me.

Again, you say you don't address rumors, but you have to some.

You also seem ok with the current rumor that you are the buyer or at least part buyer to stay ongoing.  And the statement I quote certainly seems to be looking to attract some interest.

Like I said before, I sure hope this is not something like the prank pulled in the last show, where the big reveal about Hyperion's project was "its being done on earth!".

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Thanks to Joe Torre and Wayne for coming on the show and saving the train wreck..

I am NOT a happy camper...

I'd like to believe you MobbyG.  But its really weird this going on right after the previous show where you guys pulled a prank about having info about Hyperion's "most ambitious project" when you did not.  You also raised the recent drama level with your public announcement at quiting Amigaworld.net.  And then you also made a statement about standing with Bill P., which is a bit odd in one aspect:  Now you both each have your own anonymous secret entities out there, Bill P. with the anonymous Netscape exec killing a bounty that was not even all his money and now you with this anonymous Amiga.org owner thing.

Can't someone just cut through the BS and say whats what?  I like Amiga.org, its a very cool site, but in the grand scheme of things its "only" a vintage computer system forum board.  Hardly state secret material.

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Yeah.. Here it is... I'm pissed and if you don't believe me.. tough! Deal with it.

I'll "deal with it" just fine MobbyG.  Like I said, I'd like to believe you.  Its just damn peculiar given the series of events.  This type of stuff happens in the world of Amiga way too often as it is.  Bottom line, its sad this was another instance of nonsense.

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All this being said or given -- and if you take me at my word -- the owner's identity will come to light eventually.  Until then, does it really, really matter?

It only mattered once it was announced that it would be told today.  That announcement sought to include us.  It sought to build hype as well.  Thats gotten seriously old in the Amiga community in general.

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No disagreements there.  I just thought your anger was a bit displaced when pointed at Rich, who did a fantastic job of it all.

I'm not angry Wayne.  I'm just speaking my mind.  Given the other stuff that went on with the show its sadly not surprising this happened.  Certainly he approved advertising info about the Hyperion project being show content when it was really a gag the week before, etc.  He quits Amigaworld.net in a big display when his co-host is the new admin of this site in the lead up to advertising of this show.  

And why did his co-host, the middle man of this deal as you put it, why did he let this happen after all the fanfare advertising this?

It just an unecessary circus in my mind.  I've got way bigger concerns in my life to be "angry" about this though.

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Sometimes you just have to put down your guard and realize that not everything is a conspiracy.

Not saying its a conspiracy.  Its just weird stuff lately that wastes people's time.  The show hyped info about Hyperion's project it did not have recently.  It now hyped this, and one of the hosts of the show was middleman in the deal to get the site.

This is Bill P.'s 2nd Mr. Anonymous.  And he is a host on your show.

 Your recent commentary about our show leads me to think that you have a podcast up your sleeve perhaps..

Uh, let me answer with your own words:  "put down your guard and realize that not everything is a conspiracy".  No I am not.

ffastback I really don't know what your motives are - but I got to tell you..you are quickly becoming once of the most ponderous guys in our community that I have ever come across.

My "motive"?  I'm simply speaking my mind, nothing odd about that on a forum.  You are welcome to your opinion about me just as I am entitled to mine about recent behavior from some of the hosts.

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I think I can understand why the new owner(s) would want to keep their identity a secret.  Having read through this thread, if I had bought Amiga.org, I wouldn't want to say anything.  

And that was always an option.  Instead he/she argeed to give a "scoop" (as Wayne likes to call it) to the show often co-hosted by the middleman to the deal and new site admin.  And it was decided to advertise the time and place of that public show well in advance.

As a member of the general Amiga community I did not ask for the identity.  What I think is not good here is yet another circus-like situation from yet another failed announcement of an announcement that wastes people's time after the people making the announcement themselves are who worked to make folks interested.

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Hi Jens

Please stay, as the Site Admin I can assure you that everyone's personal information on  Amiga.org is secure. All members privacy is respected and kept safe.

You were surprised recently when the anonymous large donor to Amizilla closed that DFX sponsored bounty.  Lets hope you are not surprised again by some action of the new anonymous owner of Amiga.org in the future.

At a minimum the new owner has done something very confusing already.  And even though you were the middleman on the deal, his site admin, and a co-host of the ART show, you could not convince him to stick with his decision.  Ultimately he is the person in charge, and he has already shown he is not afraid to leave you and MobbyG holding the bag, or to do stuff other than what you would want.

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A fair question and concern.  Thank you.
If I were to make an educated guess, I'd say that Bill and I had completely talked them into the ART announcement thinking it would be the best way to do it.  Unfortunately, I think that the new owner(s) are much more private person(s) than that and really don't want to be the center of things or to be a "rock star" in the community.  

The problem is he or she agreed to the announcement and then bailed last minute.  The community did not ask for a show with this event as the highlight.  But once it was told it was getting it and told it should tune in, it should have gotten it.  Amiga history clearly tells us that hype with no producing what was hyped is bad news.

Since you are not sure if they are singular or plural owners, does this mean you've never spoken to any of them?

Bill does have a history of using buffers.  If his account at aw.net ever said anything off he'd say he did not write it but that an employee he had to scold/discipline for it did.  He said he ran the money on the Amizilla bounty, but when it was closed, he said he actually did not.  I hope that we don't end up in another situation where things are done and then the new site admin blames the new owner.  Someone just as faceless as the other above examples.