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@rrunner

LOL!  For someone criticizing this thread and supposedly needless back and forth responses your continued posting in it is quite funny!   :lol:

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lordef wrote: (in the other red topic that is now locked)

@Others; Look back at red's posts, 99.9% of them are genuinely interesting amiga posts. Once he's gone there will be a higher percentage of toss from the idiots who still like to bang on about A.inc next year, blue and red wars etc.

No one seems happy that he is leaving.  No one seemed to be trying to make him leave either.  Obviously he is pretty volatile right now, between his angry words, his banning folks, and now quitting the community or whatever.  But he was by no means driven out or anything.  People who were disagreeing with him have confirmed they don't want to see him go, have offered apologies, etc.  And he also had very vocal support from many folks in these threads.  He is a grown man.  This ultimately is of his own doing now and no one is celebrating that I see.  And he can always come back in an instant, either now, or whenever else.  In the meantime what is there really left to say?

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modrobert wrote:

IMHO, if redrumloa was a cold hearted capitalist he wouldn't comment on the price here in the forum, just send an email with a bid to AllocVec instead. Seems to me this is more about helping, one seller to another.

That logic only works if he was interested in buying that particular card at that time as a consumer.  Which he was not.  His actions were about keeping the going market value higher.  Since he sources in lots typically his maximizing of profit comes from the individual item sale market keeping its extreme premium.

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Ilwrath wrote:

Personally, it looked to me like he simply made an observation.  A very correct observation, based on how quickly people were crawling all over each other to purchase this card.

So only cheap or under-priced, but desirable things have people crawling over each other to purchase them?  There is never a waiting list for expensive desirable things?  Thats absurd first off.  And two people showing interest is hardly "people crawling all over each other", thats certainly exaggerating things IMHO.

Beyond that, if we work with your own conclusion as you state it above, it shows that he sought to share his observation to make it known it was a very low price to the Amiga public at large.  He even made a comparison implying it might have sold at only 30 percent of its worth (as I read it, you may read it differently).  Which in the end is about letting people know they should keep the prices on it higher, which helps affect the higher market value he believes the card should hold.  

But if it makes you feel any better this is all IMHO of course.  

 :-D

My main point is modrobert's logic is flawed as red was not looking to buy the card in question.

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doctorq wrote:
Ilwrath has a point IMHO. I'm amazed about how much information people can extract from a few posts: his motives, the purpose of the comments, etc.

I wish I was that clever; I would have been rich by now.

I'll just go on with my ordinary life, and let others figure everything out about me, based on this post....

We all have our opinions and they can always change with more info so long as one is not closed minded.  And none of us are omnipotent.  For me certain things said by him (as well as the banning of accounts) were obviously more impactful to my opinions than they were to yours.  I can respect that.  This is a discussion forum after all.  If it helps I'll not post again in this thread.  And as I mentioned before I don't see any reason why red should leave the community. And given all the people who vouched for him I think if people see something worthwhile in his store for a price they feel comfortable with, that he seems like a fine retailer to do business with.

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Sig999 wrote:
Which choice words were those again? Was that where he was accused of having multiple accounts on Amibay in order to bilk the masses - or was it when he as a moderator was going to lock the thread?

Because I think those were pretty deceitful, and low.
(and both proven untrue as well).

(Ok have to come off the bench for this one, sorry).

Now now.  If Red's comments should be supposedly taken in the best light then its only fair you grant arkanoid the same courtesy.  He did not make a direct accusation.  He implied it might be so out of anger, just like red did stuff out of anger.  The difference, arkanoid apologized.  And the comment about locking the thread I believe was someone else, I think you are referring to the comment from the user "Ideal", where he actually said he expected his post to be deleted?  

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Sig999 wrote:
I mean if I'm to be lumped into the stereotype of 'cheerleader' then (now now) you can expect the same?  Good for the goose, and all of that.

Except I never called you a cheerleader now did I?  In fact I did no such thing.  You are the one not giving equal treatment.  You are one not treating each individual based on their own actions only when dealing with them.  You treat me as if I called you a cheerleader.  I did not.  And yet you are on my case as if I did.  You are the one lumping me in with those that did call you one.  Do you normally give one person crap for something they never did?  If you did thats a real poor way to conduct yourself.

'Did not make a direct accusation' is very much like Fox News saying 'some people say...(insert opinion here). I'm not taking anyones comments in the 'best possible light' - I'm treating them as I read them.. I don't think I see anything from his side of the argument that compared to the insinuations leveled against him. That simple.

The point is to be fair, should it not be?  He admitted he f'd up doing it.  I said straight up I think he did it out of anger, which is wrong.  And he apologized.  You don't want red crucified but lets crucify arkanoid right?  What penance does he have to do beyond this to satisfy you?  Is he not allowed to still hold and defend his opinions otherwise meanwhile?  

As for the 'bigger man' - hey I actually think that goes to Red - he just stopped replying and let it sit.

Bull (IMHO).  Because a) he owed some people an apology on a couple of points himself.  b) he is a mod and should be held to a higher standard, and if not held to it by others,  he should have done so for himself.  c) Even if he did not mean it the way it came off he probably should be savvy enough to know his vendor status complicated things.  He banned kinhell for even trying to mediate, a previous customer.  Abandoning all the people here who love what he does for the community and have stood up for him here is like running off the playground with his ball.  

And then to say someone ELSE is close minded (laugh) ohhhhh the irony! (wipes tear) it's just too much to take in one night.

You should deal with each person for what they did or said individually and if you are referring to mass comments in general maybe its worth making that a little clearer maybe??

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ohh PLEASE! This is a silly interweb quip and a jades trick of old - follow your own logic and you should never have 'gotten off the bench' to reply to that which never was addressed at you then.

No tricks.  I refered to myself as coming off the bench as I said in a previous post I intended to bow out of the thread.  I made my comment because I thought you were being grossly unfair to someone IMHO.

So.. see above - you're speaking for him now?

No.  Its pretty obvious he can speak for himself as he has on multiple posts.  I am speaking about my opinion.

Bottom line is - some folks acted as d*cks... I noticed them acting like d*cks... and to me they will always BE d*cks.

Always huh?  Now thats a friggin great attitude to have now isn't it?  

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Good - then you can understand MY opinion that a bunch of folks were being grossly unfair to someone else.

 

Yep I do and thats fine and dandy.  I just happen to feel similarly about a post you made and shared my opinion in turn.

My opinion ... (i)s as valid as yours or anyone elses... You may not LIKE it - but thats too bad.
It's not based on 'buddies' nor post counts or affiliations

Neither is mine.

And as such - trying to use MY character to shadow earlier goings on in this thread won't make the air fresher either.

I didn't see any attempts to cloud (or "shadow") as you say anything from earlier in the thread using your character as a tool.  

If there's nothing to add to the actual topic at hand - then my conversation with you is over.

Sounds good, bye then.

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@Sig999

In fairness, on one small point there, confirmation that the card was spoken for from the seller (post #10) did not come until after Red made his comment (post #5).