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Also you are still going on like I am buying single items from a discussion forum to mark them up on eBay. I can guarantee this is pure fantasy.

In theory though the higher others sell them for the better you can justify a similar price for when you next sell such an item.  In that vein of thinking its in your interest to keep market prices high.  So long as that price point does not infect your bulk supply chain.

The above is not any type of accusation.  I just think this is the point more that was trying to be made by the other posters.

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Kin-Hell wrote:

Second, just because someone has 2 or 3 thousand posts over someone's 100+ does not make them better people. Indeed, from my experiences on A.org, an awful lot of Fan Boys hang out here with massive post counts & yet just about every post I see them make is flaming someone else's post or calling them a c*nt!

I think red's point was that he is more likely, by the date of his joining here and his post count, that he would likely have a better handle on what the community at large views as fair and decent behavior than someone who may have been less involved and for less time.  Unfortnately his comment immediately after that ("Grow the F up, junior.") might make many readers miss the point I think he was attempting to make.  Whether its a valid point or not I don't think he was saying more posts equals a better person as you say he did.

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I just made him an offer for an item last week that he chose to ignore. Do I think any less of him for it? Of course not. He and I obviously had a different idea of the items value.

Someone purposely ignoring you if you provided them with considerate communication, and especially if they know you, is not something to proudly say you are of course not offended by.  At the least one should think that rude.

Anything I have ever bought from him was exactly as stated in his listing and it arrived to me fast. I value very highly being able to know what I get from him is what I expected.

 

No one seems to have disagreed with that, at least not that I saw.

As far as blocking bidders, I also do it all the time. If I even suspect anything, they are blocked. I have blocked many members of the Org because of attitudes I sense because of their posts. It's not worth taking a chance of a hassle developing. A seller has the right to block anybody that they wish for any reason.

True, but its interesting that a public display was made of it.  Its only natural that the party would then respond in the thread after being banned/blocked.

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If I held a grudge everytime I made an offer on an item and the listing ran out a day later without the seller getting back to me I'd be a pretty sorry person (Which 2 of my ex-wives would agree with).  There are a million reasons why someone might not accept or reject it.

Ah, now you seem to be referring to any old random ebay auction  you were interested in and within their Best Offer system.  Earlier you seemed to be saying that you sent a traditional offer to your friend redrumola on something you knew he was interested in selling.  Those are two very different scenarios.  Thanks for clarifying.  Of course though, now the question is, what point were you trying to make?  What does that have to do with anything?

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by dannyp1 on 2008/12/31 20:51:25

I guess I'm the only one here who doesn't see a problem with someone stating their opinion that someone else sold something too cheap.

If the seller is happy then there is no such thing as selling "too cheap".  I think the comment was taken as it was because the account that posted the comment is a well known vendor on the board.  Meanwhile from his perspective he probably was posting as the individual.  But given he is a vendor all of a sudden a hopefully innocent sharing of one's opinion can easily look like you are trying to influence the market.  From there it went downhill quickly unfortunately is my take away.

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dannyp1 wrote:
The point I was trying to make was that ReDrum and I often disagree on the value of Amiga items and we don't end up at each others throats because we disagree.  Did I really have to explain that?

Apparently you did.  Are you trying to say that I lack ready comprehension skills?  

Back to your point, now that you have clarified it.  red did interject in a deal both parties were already happy with with an off the cuff remark, and he is a dealer with a vested interest in keeping the market at high prices.  You can hire your brother-in-law to fix your house, but if you are mayor of your town you better be careful giving him the job to fix city hall as well, even if he is the best and cheapest for the job.  Perception plays a role like that in life.  Thats just how it is.  Perhaps you should give some leeway to the other side of the disagreement as well.  It did not help things that red escalated with implying a curse word, and tossing out a term like that person they were disagreeing with some whippersnapper either.

I will rephrase what I said earlier: If threads like this are helping to unite and strengthen the Amiga community, I'd hate to see one that was trying to tear it apart.

I'm not sure this exactly tears the community apart.  We are adults and some people shared their peace on the subject.  Thats all.  I will tell you this though.  My personal opinion is that high prices keep the more casual enthusiast out of the hobby more.  And more numbers of people would probably be better for the community in the end.  Instead you have a smaller community of hoarders. Even the USA has proven quite clearly recently that its not a pure capitalist state.

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One guy is actually trying to sell a piece of gear here. Let him do that in peace and stop making unrelated noise in his thread. That goes for everyone, mods other and me.

My understanding is terms were already agreed to.  I don't believe anything is left for sale, not since very early in the thread.

5) I don't really know anyone involved in this thread. And I don't want to take any side but this: You're all in the wrong.

For sharing opinions everyone is in the wrong, except you sharing your opinion?   :lol:

He needs some of the protection and benefits that eBay provide that AmiBay cannot

 What does this have to do with his commenting on a sale he was not involved in on amiga.org?  Nothing as far as I can tell.

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What I don't care for is the suggestion that he hasn't got the right to share his opinion or the unnecessary aspersions being thrown his way. Methinks I smell some sour grapes.

I think if we look at what happened here you see a series of quick escalations here.  It probably would have better that red had been asked what he meant in his post first before the multi-paragraph responses to his single line post.  But then you also have red immediately coming back implying one party is a nut who treats his hobby as a religion and that the other may be a communist.  So the gloves came off pretty quickly there.

I think its correct to say red has the right to share his opinion.  But I also think its correct to think that when you are an Amiga dealer that posting in such a manner is going to be taken in an entirely different light than any 'ol individual.

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reflect: Ok, so maybe it was wrong to say he might have another account. That was baseless speculation by me.

Good to see you retracted what you said.  There is no reason to inflame things any further needlessly.  The ultimate goal should be reconciliation between those that got pissed at each other.

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Ideal wrote:

What is worse is that as well as being a profit-driven company out to make as much money as possible, Redrumloa is also a moderator.
I believe these two roles should not be combined.

Considering he uses the forums here to advertise for his business, I would tend to agree.  Nothing against him personally.  Even if he were universally well-liked its still probably not the best idea.

Redrumloa is clearly the single most greedy and price-hiking entity on this forum. I strongly disagree with his practice of buying out lots of amiga hardware and making a living from fellow amiga-enthusiasts.

In a way though isn't this a way for him to make a living from something he loves?  No one has to sell to him and no one has to buy from him either.  And plenty of individual sellers ask for crazy money.  And plenty of greedy hoarders buy up multiples of what they already own keeping prices in general high.

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but he's proven himself to be an honest seller THOUSANDS of times over. (Let me repeat that -THOUSANDS- of happy transactions.) Like him or not whatever, criticize a comment, sure, but to jump all over his character is simply laughable!

Ebay feedback is certainly a better indication than not.  But for ages sellers on ebay would withold feedback on buyers even when they quickly paid, all that buyers need to do to deserve positive feedback.  They would instead hold their feedback if needed for retaliation against buyer feedback.  This caused plenty of buyers to not leave deserved negative or neutral feedback, as they didn't want their reps tarnished undeservedly.  This is why ebay changed how feedback now works.  So while definitely a good sign its not as definitive an indicator as you describe IMHO.  Now if red's policy was always to send positive feedback as soon as he got payment that would be another positive indicator about how he conducts himself.  Personally I don't know much about him.  Perhaps he had a bad day as you imply.  My point here is while its a good indicator for him I think you are overstating what ebay feedback can tell us or not on its own.

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So when was it a crime to sell stuff for high prices?

That was not what caused the issue that came up in this thread.

On a side note, everyone is free to sell whatever for the prices they are asking for.. Dont like it? Simply do not buy..

 

This was actually what the people arguing with red wanted to have happen.  Red interjected on that process publicly saying that the asking price was much too cheap, encouraging the seller to raise what he was asking for the hardware.

If Redrumloa wants to sell at his prices, let him.

 

Again the people who brought up issue with what he did had no problem with him in this regard.  For the back and forth of publishing personal emails in the thread, it even appears that one of these people was a happy prior customer. And in red's anger he even banned that person from bidding in the future.

If anyone also whines that Redrumloa takes over a good chunk of the Amiga market, why dont you hunt and buy out and sell your stuff the way you want?

 

While a couple people did voice this concern, it was not the people (from what I saw) that took issue with the pricing remark.  And I'm not sure that you should call people who do voice that concern whiners.  I think the consensus is most people don't fault red for charging a premium.  But they don't want him interfering with other transactions on this board in a possible effort to (or hell even innocently enough) jack prices in general is what I gathered, since he is a well known dealer and moderator here.  

But enough, cheers to Redrumloa on selling Amiga items and dealing in them. Im sure if it wasnt for him keeping it up, we would see the hardware go straight to the landfill. lol

I'm sure that would happen sometimes yes.  His ebay store does seem to have some interesting goodies.  And with an old platform like this its nice to have some options like his store to buy from.

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Ok... back to the {bleep}ing... keep it up... my 7 yr old thinks it is funny! :popcorn:

You Canadians must have an odd idea of what makes good bedtime stories and popcorn inspiring entertainment!
 :crazy:  :lol: :-P

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@rrunner

LOL!  For someone criticizing this thread and supposedly needless back and forth responses your continued posting in it is quite funny!   :lol:

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lordef wrote: (in the other red topic that is now locked)

@Others; Look back at red's posts, 99.9% of them are genuinely interesting amiga posts. Once he's gone there will be a higher percentage of toss from the idiots who still like to bang on about A.inc next year, blue and red wars etc.

No one seems happy that he is leaving.  No one seemed to be trying to make him leave either.  Obviously he is pretty volatile right now, between his angry words, his banning folks, and now quitting the community or whatever.  But he was by no means driven out or anything.  People who were disagreeing with him have confirmed they don't want to see him go, have offered apologies, etc.  And he also had very vocal support from many folks in these threads.  He is a grown man.  This ultimately is of his own doing now and no one is celebrating that I see.  And he can always come back in an instant, either now, or whenever else.  In the meantime what is there really left to say?