Redrumloa and AmiBay - Update

[arkanoid]

Darrin: to understand why his account at AmiBay was called into question, you would have to read this entire thread: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39684

Things got a little out of hand (as they often do on internet forums), but I think it basically boils down to the fact that - in that thread - Red made it clear that he was against selling Amiga wares at "community prices". Which lead to the question of exactly why he, as a "professional trader", would have an account over at Amibay. Considering that Amibay was setup largely to counteract Amiga based profiteering by encouraging sane pricing and anti-price hiking practices.

This perhaps got the mods of Amibay thinking (as it should do) and they rightfully investigated the matter. As they would with any other user.

Thankfully the issue is resolved.

[arkanoid]

Darrin wrote:
I've bought many items from him both on eBay and pre-eBay and I've always got A+ service and never felt that I've paid too much.  He's also someone that I know would resolve a problem quickly and that adds an extra level of "value" to whatever he's selling.

As was pointed out on numerous occasions in that thread, the issue was not with whether Redrumola is a "good trader" or not. His record proves that he obviously is. Also, nobody was concerned with the prices HE chooses to charge for HIS items in HIS sales.

The issue people had was with his intervention in a sale between enthusiasts and him yelling "double the price mate!" That's all.

And if you read the thread carefully, you'll see that Red was just as much a part of the general "mud slinging" as anyone else. There were no hard done by "victims" in that thread, I assure you.

[arkanoid]

ffastback wrote:
@WotTheFook

I thought the multiple account comment came after you had already stated:

WotTheFook wrote:
@redrumloa

"I'm not a communist and I do not run a charity. What sense would it make for me to sell items at a fraction of their actual worth?"

OK then, so you are a big-time capitalist, who has nothing but contempt for the members on here and tries to screw every last nickel out of them, unless you are buying; does that sound closer to the mark?

Oh, by the way; based on your comments here, your account has been frozen over at Amibay, until you can explain your ideas of capitalism to the Admins via PM, along with how they would benefit our members at AmiBay, to our satisfaction.

I thought this was why you did what you did.  Not that it matters much, just found your post curious in that respect.  But good to see things cooling down.   :-D

Good point :-)

[arkanoid]

@Wayne: I'll certainly be the first to step up and apologize for making any unfounded or agitating comments.

I hope Red understands that the only point most people were making was: "hey, you're a professional dealer and for you to encourage price hiking between enthusiasts is not on". That's all it boils down too - nothing more - despite things getting way out of hand (on both sides). Hopefully he sees that, and realizes that it was nothing personal against him. In fact, most people's comments were about a general PRINCIPLE of price gouging...not about Red.

He's obviously a very good trader and shouldn't let people's opinions in that thread about that particular subject bother him so much. It would be sad to see him leave the community on that basis alone.

So I'm offering him my personal apology for allowing things to get out of hand. Hopefully he sees that it was nothing personal against him. It was just a silly discussion that went a bit off the rails.

[arkanoid]

Just in case it's not clear. There were very few people in that thread questioning the quality of Red's service or the prices he chooses to charge. More than anything, that point needs to be clear.

And, tbh, I don't think he was "crucified". It just might appear that way because more people disagreed with what he done than agreed - so with his own responses he was kind of swiming against the tide.

Let's not make him into a martyr. I for one have appologized for letting the discussion escalate into something it shouldn't have and I'm sure many others feel regret. But the sense of responsibility shouldn't be one sided.  

[arkanoid]

darrin: Well, to be fare, when you enter a thread shouting "double the price!" and then proceed to mock the idea of fare "community prices", labelling them as "communistic", that's the image you tend to paint for yourself.

[arkanoid]

Ruud: yep, and I have already apologized for making _my_ initial point in a less than diplomatic way. I should have made my point in a less inflammatory way, I guess. Although I don't apologize for the actual point itself.

I doubt you will see an apology from Red, however.

[arkanoid]

 :lol:

well ffastback said most of what I would have wanted to say anyhow. So, no need for futher input. ! :-)

[arkanoid]

riccofl: that's scraping the barrel a bit isn't it? you'd be better off asking Wayne that question as he has the records of all our IP numbers.  :roll:

and the answers no.

[arkanoid]

@Wayne: I'm scared to say much more, even in the form of an extended apology; in case I get yet more people taking the original argument out of context and wanting to ram a rod down my spine for not feeling sorry enough to commit suicide.

I think things are way beyond the original argument with Red now. It seems the only purpose of the continued banter is in trying to explain to others (who had nothing to do with the thread) why the argument started in the first place and the reason why people were agitated. But that seems like a hopeless task, so I for one will quit fanning the flames and just hope this mess fades away.

I really hope Red reads the apology I gave and somehow understands that, at least for my part, there was no real malicious intent involved and it certainly was not about him personally. Hopefully he will even appreciate to some degree why people were upset.

There's absolutely NO reason for him to leave the Amiga community, as far as I see he has no enemies - just people that disagree on certain things and you find that in all areas of life. And most of us don't just quit life.

ah, well, that's my very last word on this.