FS: Blizzard 2060

[arkanoid]

and a round of applause to Redrumloa for encouraging price hiking and trying to ensure that no one in the Amiga community gets a "good deal". :roll:

Red: ever considered that your prices maybe extortionate? 300Euro seems "very reasonable", and a good price. Not everyone's interested in screwing the Amiga community for every last penny that they can. It's a hobby, not a capitalist venture.

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Redrumloa:

The point is, Christian is a seasoned Amiga user. He's not naive and will be fully aware of eBay prices for Amiga gear - eBay is no secret.

There are still people who are happy to just "break even" when it comes to selling Amiga stuff, because most of us have day jobs and do not need to sell Amiga items purely to make a profit. It has nothing to do with "communism". We're just not all obsessed with accumulating as much $$$ (in every area of life) as possible.

For all you know, 300Euro may be exactly what Christian originally paid for the card and that may be all he's interested in recouping. But I'm sure if you managed to purchase this 060 card from Christian first, it'd appear on your eBay "shop" shortly after for 600Euro. That would have been a nice tidy profit for you, eh? Too bad a real hobbyist got to it before you.

"I'm not a communist and I do not run a charity. What sense would it make for me to sell items at a fraction of their actual worth?"

I can understand your vested interest in maintaining high prices throughout the community, but this is not YOUR sale. It's between two enthusiasts, so show a little decency towards the Amiga "community" and leave your money grabbing for eBay, pls.

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Redromola:

More like the guy who hasn't turned his leisure-time and hobby into an enterprise, telling the guy who clearly has.

I recently offered my Blizzard 030 for £105 on Amibay, in full knowledge that I could have got about £150 for it on eBay. Unfortunately, none of the users of Amibay wanted it. So I listed it on eBay and got £170. I put my money where my mouth is.

And, btw, "junior" - one of the clearest signs of immaturity is to consider money to be the most important thing in life.

 :roll:

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redrumloa wrote:
Much easier to complain instead of taking initiative.

"waaaaay too cheap" - you're the only one complaining. We don't post in your "FS: eBay" threads complaining that YOUR prices are too high. Yet you complain the moment you see someone sell an item cheaper than you personally would have sold it for.

Funny tho, I doubt you would have been complaining if you got to the card first. And I doubt the fact that you purchased it for half your asking price would have been mentioned in the listing either.

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redrumloa wrote:
No, putting your money where your mouth is would be to refund the difference to the high bidder.

Why would I do that? A far easier thing to do would have been for me to list it on eBay for the same price I listed it on Amibay (£105), but then that would have increased the likelihood of an opportunistic eBay "trader" (like yourself) purchasing and then reselling for a profit.

I listed it cheaply on Amibay first because, generally, only real enthusiasts use the site.

[arkanoid]

Redromola: anyway, I'm not going to continue arguing with you. I'm sure, deep down, you know that your initial snipe was wrong. It's just a pity that you lack the maturity to admit it.

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redrumloa wrote:
Starting to show my true colors? You keep thinking that if it makes you feel better. I sleep good at night, real good. I have never ripped off a single person, period. They know what I am offering, period. They know they will get what is offered in the condition offered. They know if something goes wrong, I make it right even at a loss. Has anything changed over the years? No, not really. On the selling side I am exactly the same, only my packing material quality has gone up.

Perhaps the change Save2600 senses is that you're applying a more "professional" approach - what with the increased quality in packaging and (if I'm not mistaken) your recent opening of an official eBay Store? I've never purchased from you and never would at your prices but, from what I can gather, you seem to have a good reputation as a seller. If your intentions are to evolve your "business" into something like the American equivalent of Amigakit, then great! Your current rep. should be a good foundation to build on and the premium you charge (as Amigakit do) to cover the costs involved in a more professional outfit  would be fully justified and valued by many.

I think you just need to be a little more sensible and realize that not everyone in the Amiga community is running a business based on it. You can't and shouldn't want to compete with transactions between enthusiasts, otherwise you'll annoy people who will only see your intervention in terms of what ffastback outlined above.

Do your business a favour by taking a leaf out of Amigakit's book and try not to compete on the same level as transactions between individual enthusiasts. Amigakit justify their prices by offering outstanding service and professional guarantees which they're known to honour, not by piping in on personal For Sale threads and basically moaning that the seller is selling cheaper than they do.

Whether that was what you were doing or not, doesn't really matter. That's the way it will be interpreted.

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ffastback: well, I guess he could have just been saying "hey, I've been around here longer and so have a better sense of what is acceptable behaviour", but I doubt that. Kin-Hell hit the mark I think.

The old "more posts" = "more important" is a common response from people on forums, particularly if they think they're losing an argument. Basically I think he was saying that he's more important and his opinion is of greater value than someone with posts in the 100s. Add to that the fact that he's a mod and, well, anyone that's been around Internet forums (in general) for as long as I have will know exactly how some forum moderators tend to have delusions of grandeur(despite the fact that it's actually the regular USERS who make a forum successful, more so than mods)

but there you go, I'm a junior who hasn't posted as many "eBay For Sale" items...what do I know.

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dannyp1: I'm not really sure of the point you're trying to make here. No one is saying that Redromola is a bad trader. I don't think a single person has implied that.

What people are objecting to is him promoting price hiking/gouging in a sale between two, non-commercial enthusiasts - because the price didn't match what he would hope to charge based on eBay "market forces" to maximize profits.

I think you need to reread the entire thread, to get a clearer sense of what's being said. Unless you can defend him based on what is actually being said, then Redromola doesn't require your (fanboy?) "support". As I said, no one is saying he's a bad trader, far from it.

If anything, he's just a bit low on good old fashioned decency and regard for "community spirit" - unless of course it involves some form of profit.

If you read his comments, you'll see that he has absolutely no regard for the Amiga's sense of non-commercial community spirit and even mocks this idea as "communistic". He's touched a nerve, because (since all the big money men and real commercial interest has disappeared) the little future that the Amiga has left relies on maintaining some sense of goodwill and community spirit. Things will not continue ticking over for the Amihga with purely MONEY in mind.

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dannyp1 wrote:
I guess I'm the only one here who doesn't see a problem with someone stating their opinion that someone else sold something too cheap.

Yes, I think it's safe to say that you're probably among an extreme minority of people who sees nothing wrong in a trader posting in a thread where an item has been offered and claimed for purchase, and telling the seller that he is telling it too cheaply. You're right.

dannyp1 wrote:
I had a few other things to say about saying people lacked decency because they stated an obvious opinion but I see it didn't take you long to edit your previous comments. I'm fairly sure they were read by people other than me before you had a chance to read what you had written and cram the old tranny in reverse.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. If you mean that you were reading my post as I was editing it and noticed something was changed moments later, well that happens. It's called rewording what you want to say in order to get your point across clearly.

dannyp1 wrote:
If stating a couple of my opinions in a thread makes me a "Fanboy" I don't need to tell you what people will be calling you after reading your comments. I'm not quite sure how I became your target as I didn't say anything bad about anybody. And you think your comments are helping to keep the community alive?

I didn't call you a fanboy, I suggested that you MIGHT be, and I wasn't the first to make that call. Internet forums are full of fanboys, who jump into discussions defending certain people (particularly mods, or other people they "like") without really reading and fully understanding the points being made. So to make that call is not wrong.

You're not a "target", I just responded to your post in disagreement.

Apart from hinting that you MIGHT be a fanboy, in what way are my comments negatively impacting on the Amiga's community spirit, exactly? Be specific and quote an example. I'm not sure if my comments are "helping to keep the Amiga community alive", but I think you need to reread them and not jump to conclusions.

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Kin-Hell wrote:

But then if you did, you would realise all you had to do was apologise to Christian Publicly like I said to you privately via Email.
There is nothing else you could do since you "Gobbed Off", so be my guest! - Carry on digging a hole!

From what I can make out of him so far, an apology's pretty unlikely. That would mean having to eat a little humble-pie and his head seems too big for that.

He'll probably pull a classic moderator move and "Close the Thread" (tm) or ban the lot of us, before he's 6ft under. . :lol:

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WotTheFook wrote:
Redrumloa wrote:

"I'm not a communist and I do not run a charity. What sense would it make for me to sell items at a fraction of their actual worth?"

OK then, so you are a big-time capitalist, who has nothing but contempt for the members on here and tries to screw every last nickel out of them, unless you are buying; does that sound closer to the mark?

Oh, by the way; based on your comments here, your account has been frozen over at Amibay, until you can explain your ideas of capitalism to the Admins via PM, along with how they would benefit our members at AmiBay, to our satisfaction.

Regards,

WotTheFook (aka Merlin)

Let's just hope he hasn't got several accounts on Amibay, using them to buy things up cheaply from the rest of us dirty communists and later selling them on through his shop.

Not saying he HAS, but ya never know. Particularly with a capitalist minded "businessman" who seems to have very little regard for decency among the community.
 :-?

[arkanoid]

I didn't say he HAS, I said it's something to consider and maybe keep an eye out for. There's a lot of good people on Amibay, selling stuff at good prices. But on the other hand there's a lot of opportunists out there.

The fact that Redromola is a trader and even has an account on Amibay probably means he'd have no problem buying things cheaply at those "community prices" he's mocked in this very thread.

And as for your analogy, if you knew a guy who's ex-wife divorced him on the grounds of battery. And then you suddenly saw his new wife with black eyes...wouldn't you suspect something was up?

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reflect wrote:Let's not get this out of hand, hm? The original comment was underhanded, it wasn't appropriate. Later there was some heated feelings, but now it's just getting silly.

reflect: Ok, so maybe it was wrong to say he might have another account. That was baseless speculation by me.

But he does have one known Amibay account and I think it's good that it has been frozen, just on the grounds that he obviously does not agree with Amibay's idea on fair prices. Unless, of course he's buying.

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-D- wrote:

arkanoid wrote:

The fact that Redromola is a trader and even has an account on Amibay probably means he'd have no problem buying things cheaply at those "community prices" he's mocked in this very thread.

 :roll:

Yes, reread it, it's flawless logic.  :roll:

Which is probably why Merlin has frozen his Amibay account.