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[Ohno]

May I interpret this to mean that Amiga Inc. have made no concrete business deals and have had no concrete business strategy for just over a year?

No you may not.

Since they have not made any announcments... this is the most logical conclution (using your own reasoning) and one that most people here have drawn and is what we are all worried about, WRT Amiga Inc....

I don't even remember McEwen to announce the Microsoft deal, but it is a deal, which was made public somehow and which did get products into the store.
Why are you so keen on attacking people with the way they word stuff. I speak to Gabriel very frequently, since we're developing stuff together. He is one of the most sincere people I know and I have no reason to doubt whatever he is saying.

He has a lot of private discussions with Fleecy and knows a lot of what's going on at Amiga Inc. (a whole lot more than I do). I personally don't know what Amiga Inc. is doing behind the scenes of AOS4 and I never bothered to ask.  Gabriel probably did.

It is really getting ridicilous how much people here are trying to turn everything into information that suits themselves better.

[Ohno]

Oops... I seem to have hit a nerve, I must being closer...

Not really.

Which nicely answers your question, why do I ask difficult questions... No, I attack none, put simply, I want the Truth

If you were replying to me then again this is not what I said and another 'interpretation' of my words. That was just what I was asking you, why do you keep on twisting people's word to make it more to your liking? You twisted Gabriel's word into your own interpretation, which we simple proved wrong by pointing out a deal that has been made public.

I'm fed up of being lied to all the time. I want to know whats going on.

Then maybe you shouldn't be reading public forums. I haven't lied to you and I also said Gabriel was not lying. You are manipulating this discussion and are basically saying that both Gabriel and I are telling you lies.

The fact that you don't considder the M$ deal to be worthwhile doesn't make it any more true and is still valid for proving your 'interpretation' wrong. And after all.. you _were_ asking if you could interpret those words as meaning something they didn't. Don't get upset if the answer is not to your liking. The M$ deal is a big deal to us.

Regards,

Onno

[Ohno]

I'm not surpirsed with Amiga Inc being so secretive... All this "we're doing lots of things", and there's a who bunch of stuff going on behind the scenes.. blah blah blah...

You sure enjoy this, don't you?
What company doesn't do work behind the scenes to get something done before the competition jumps onto it? I've never worked for or with a company that isn't developing stuff behind the scenes.

It doesn't help how many people would tell you they are seeing the results of the work Amiga Inc. is doing. I know you love open source and I applaud you on your efforts for Aros, I really think it is a very worthwhile effort, but not everything in this world is open source, no matter how much you want it to be.
There's not much point in discussing these things like this, because you will simply not accept what I say untill you see it with your own eyes. There's nothing wrong with that, I am usually like that as well. The big difference is that I admit I'm wrong if I'm proven wrong and you stick to your opinion even if it is flawed (as in your discussion earlier with bhoggett).

Regards,

Onno

[Ohno]

-Edit- I find it funny that I'm being accused of twisting words when all I'm doing is clarifying (or attempting to clarify) unsubstantiated statements made in Amiga Inc. favour.

Well.. you were and you weren't  :-D
You were twisting my words and those of Gabriel and you weren't clarifying anything.
You were wrong, we told you so.

And I also didn't say you shouldn't be here to ask questions. Everyone should be able to. But you said you were sick of being told lies. Well.. public forums are full of 'm.

You say you won't support a company that won't give a straight answer to a simple question? That's fine. Everyone has to decide what they want to do and who they want to support and which products (if any) they are going to purchase. It's just a problem when people extract wrong information from what was said and spread those rumours. (Note: Not just rumours about Amiga Inc. I've seen the same things happening to MOS/Pegasos as well. I just don't step in there myself, because I don't know much about it and don't have any facts and I think it's wisest to not talk about it at all then- no use in starting flamewars, FUD and rumours).

[Ohno]

Ok, I'm wrong. Now tell me what they have been up to behind the scenes so You can relly make me look like an idiot.

Since you are replying to me I'll just quote my earlier remark here, since it is hard to find anything back in all this text (well over 180 replies already)  :-o

I personally don't know what Amiga Inc. is doing behind the scenes of AOS4 and I never bothered to ask. Gabriel probably did.

I only know some of the stuff that's going on behind the scenes with regard to Amiga-Anywhere. But since I'm under NDA I cannot tell you very much. I can tell you Amiga Inc. has released a lot of addons to intent and are really actively working on it. Examples of this kind of addons they created that were already publically mentioned are things like their Amiga-Anywhere environment itself, the packager to package your application and data up into .ami-files, ami2d (which gives us things like sprites, scaling, rotating, indexed bitmaps and lots more), amidb, a full datatype system, including working datatypes for images and movies.

People saying intent has nothing to do with the classic Amiga are mostly right in my opinion. Amiga Inc. is making it more Amiga-like though and they are doing a very good job at it.