Microsoft game pack in COMPUSA national flier.

[Ohno]

Hey there,

I'm a SDA-guy and I agree that Amiga Inc. has added a lot to intent, which we use in our applications and on top of that provide us with support and opportunities.

Apart from that I want to say something else regarding all the crap that was posted on all Amiga related 'news'-sites.

All that stuff even got me down for a while and we've had quite a discussion on the SDA-list about it. Offcourse I'm under NDA and can't say much of what was said, but what I can say is that to me, Fleecy and Gary have cleared up everything I needed to know. I'm still developing for Amiga-Anywhere and so are a lot of other developers. They all have enough confidence in Amiga Inc. to put their time, money and efforts into a platform they believe in.

I can assure you that I wouldn't put this much time and effort into a platform and company if I didn't believe in them and I wouldn't work with these people if I didn't trust them.

As much as _SOME_ people would like to see Amiga Inc. fail, it looks like Amiga is here to stay for quite some time . And I'm planning on supporting them.

Regards,

Onno

[Ohno]

One thing i have been wondering... if there is so many developers that are currently developing for AA, where are the games/apps?? We havent seen any new software for quite some time now, though Bill McEwen promised new apps when he was on TechTV.... And yeah this is better than nothing... Hope they succeed..

The most important reason is probably that we are currently developing towards a newer version of intent-platform. The old player doesn't play the new apps, so there is no use in putting the new apps on the Amiga web-shop until there is a new Amiga-Anywhere player. Amiga Inc. is currently busy working on deals getting games onto cards. Apart from that it seems some more serious apps are in the works now, which take more time to develop.

Regards,

Onno

[Ohno]

Your an SDA developer and you don't like this news item?

Hey this is actual news and I like it.. I was talking about news  :lol:

Regards,

Onno

[Ohno]

I cannot be arsed with you and "Fleecy's" lies any longer. The truth is coming

Oh come on Wayne. We're finally having a more positive discussion here where people are actually communicating in a friendly manner with respect towards each other and you publically start name-calling again.

I appreciate this is your site and you can do with it whatever you like and I like amiga.org a lot, but if you have anything to say you can at least try to state your opinion in a more appropriate way, can't you? You always used to do so some time ago and I respected your opinion a lot more back then.... even when I disagreed with you on the subject.

Regards,

Onno

[Ohno]

I for one am completely sick of the half-truths, hot air (aka real soon now promises) and outright bullshit from Amiga Inc.

And a lot of other peope are sick of name-calling etc. If you have issues with them, why resort to public name-calling. I know from earlier postings that you are very good expressing your opinion in a clear and non-abusive matter. Those comments made a real impression on me and made me look seriously at the points you put forward. Sometimes you even made me change my views because of proper arguments I hadn't thought of. The way you are expressing your views now just makes you look like any one of those people yelling, screaming, cursing and bitching on forums.. I know you are better than that.

As I stated earlier. I trust the guys at Amiga Inc. and they seem vey sincere to me. Maybe I am wrong and you are right, but at least I haven't found Fleecy or Ray name-calling others in public places.

If you have true evidence and you're so sure you can expose them it means you have a strong case and there's even less reason for your way of talking. More people will listen to your story if you base it on facts and restrain yourself from cursing and shouting.

Regards,

Onno

[Ohno]

1) Is the DE an Amiga, or even Amiga-related ? Only by name.

Well.. it's not called Amiga, but it is Amiga-Anywhere. It will be integrated into Amiga-OS which will make it more Amiga. For now hasn't got much to do with the classic Amiga's as we know it apart from the name. You are right there.
BUT. A lot of things in Amiga-Anywhere/DE actually remind me of the classic Amiga. Low memory footprint, optimized resource-usage and fun to develop for.
But you shouldn't look at DE as an operating system, but as a virtual computer system that needs to be programmed. Amiga is developing software for this environment to be more Amiga-alike. Remember how you could always insert a floppy into the classic Amiga and the game/application would start up? You didn't need to know anything about the Amiga to be able to use it and play games on it. Now we have something similar on PDA's. You can insert the SD-card and instantly you can play games. Most games I've had so far for my iPAQ required me to link up the iPAQ to my PC and install the application from within Windows.

2) Is the DE worth to be considered for developers ?

Depends on the developer I guess. Some people will still find it too rough around the edges.. some won't. I like to develop for this platform and help build it's future. And when I develop in java I can assure you that it's not any harder than developing in CE/.NET. C/C++ is harder and takes more time to develop in and Assembly is very low-level thus very time-consuming. But I do like it.

3) Do I believe in the super-secret updates, and plenty of SW "real soon" ?

You don't have to believe it if you don't have to.

3) Do I think that this the light at the end of the tunnel for AI ?

You're saying that too many companies want to have a share of those game-packs. Depends on what gamepack you mean. The one advertised here at compUSA only has one title I think which is Amiga-content? The Amiga Pocket Paks however have only two companies involved in them. Amiga and M$. M$ will take a share because they market it and put it out there. Amiga Inc. built the cards and delivered the content. Not very much companies taking a share I think. Unless you mean The developers who get paid for their content on those cards? Well.. yes.. they should get their share I think.

Regards,

Onno

[Ohno]

You have a point. As such, I thank you for your calm, logical input.

Well. thank you for listening.

I have proof, I am getting more. The truth will come out whether they want it to or not. There is no more reason for me to say anything here, except due to my outright frustration with them. If you're pleased with them, that's your deal. Your mileage obviously varies.

Well.. obviously. Whatever proof you have I'm anxious to see it myself. Maybe you're able to make me change my mind with that proof, or maybe Fleecy and co. have a good and valid explanation for me on the SDA-list when your evidence comes out. As long as you provide facts and proper arguments to back up your claims  I'm interested. For now, after the discussion on the SDA-list, I see no reason to not trust Amiga Inc. As always opinions will vary but personally I find it quite a coincidense that everything bad that happened the last few years seems to come out at about the same time, just when Amiga-Anywhere products are shipping,  Amiga One boards are sent out in quantity and OAS4 is nearing completion. I'm sure a whole lot of other rumours will appear soon when AOS4 itself ships. I for one am not going to believe these rumours without first having heard Amiga Inc's. side of the story.

In regards to Ray or Fleecy calling people names, you might need to look around a bit closer. Since we allow message editing, I'm having trouble locating a few of the known examples on our site, but they are out there.

OK. If you say so. Let's rephrase then: I've never actually SEEN Fleecy or Ray name-calling in public, even when they were being attacked and insulted. Maybe I missed it.  
Jee.. it looks like I'm missing a lot, doesn't it?  :-P