Commodore USA's Final Challenge to the Community

[Amiga_Nut]

Specification is simple.

I want a machine that costs no more than a PS3, but has superior abilities to a £1200 i7 PC gaming rig.

And it must not run on Mac OSX/Linux/Windows of any kind.

How you implement this is up to you, I don't care.

As for people asking for 68k based machine are you also stipulating such a low powered PoS system must cost less than £30? If not then are you on drugs?

Why would I want to run games at the speed of a 386/486 PC in 2011 you loonies! :roflmao:

[Amiga_Nut]

IMO If we are going to have rice pudding performance it must be cheap, ie as cheap as buying a crappy 4000/030 on ebay today (about £250).

As for the OS it has to have an option to look either like Workbench 1.x and Workbench 2.x

[Amiga_Nut]

And while we're dreaming, I'd like a pony.


No, I'm willing to pay a moderate sum for it. As for why, I don't care why you would want to, I want it because I find the idea a million times more interesting than some generic x86 box.

Why not just buy a £200 A4000/030 from ebay then? Why bother.

As for the other comment, if I was paying i7 prices and essentially the entire dev cost is guaranteed via 500+ minimum pre-payments held in Escrow I expect something amazing. So if they did a machine costing £400-800 thats £200,000 to £400,000 waiting to be collected on day one, and that's ignoring future sales.

You know what, I think the best thing is if they just build reasonably priced replica cases for use with ATX/Micro ATX and sell them for a reasonable profit (ie max price £100 for the cases) and we can make our own Amiga's inside be it Natami or x86 + WinUAE.

Cases I would like recreated are A600, A1000, A1200, A3000. I can live with never seeing an A500 or A2000 case for the rest of my life.

(Commodore 486 PCs used Amiga 4000 cases anyway so not bothered).

My personal opinion though, apart from making cases and selling them to us, is Commodore USA just don't have the kind of talent in their employment to make a new Amiga. And seeing as this thread exists they don't really have the imagination either as we are being asked to tell them what they should make

[Amiga_Nut]

OS dev costs are probably more than hardware dev costs when it comes to bespoke items.

[Amiga_Nut]

Well what they are basically saying is "we don't know what you want us to make so we can sell it to you" and "we don't believe you know either and we won't make it unless we can guarantee something like $250,000 to $1,000,000 guaranteed sales of pre-orders paid for in Escrow"

[Amiga_Nut]

Since apparently anyone can buy the rights to use the amiga name, I'm going to buy the rights to slap that name on a new computer I'll be making.

I have no idea of what kind of processor, or os it will use, or what it will look like.

(But don't worry the amiga community will LOVE IT!)

I'm not sure what kind of software it will run yet.

Of course before I invest a single penny of my own, I'm going to need 500 pre-orders.

Before I start accepting pre-orders though, first I have to take some time to insult every amiga camp, claim I have a 30million dollar advertising budget, steal my website text from apple, tell you all your not my target market then come back to you and beg for pre-orders for my new amiga dream machine.

Don't worry though, this new computer will go from pipe dream to manufactured product
in 6 months or I'll give you your money back.

"Only amiga makes it possible."

So it's not just me then? :roflmao:

[Amiga_Nut]

I would like to direct you all to the following site to post your feelings on the subject of a new Amiga

http://www.the-amiga.blogspot.com

[Amiga_Nut]

Just give me something that runs OctaMED and Bars and Pipes like a real Amiga and I would buy it.

I could make that on x86 hardware tomorrow for you!

[Amiga_Nut]

It sounds like what would be more useful than having CUSA make anything would just be for a bunch of Amiga users to pool some cash together, come up with some case designs and hire a company that does injection mold stuff to make some cases.

There would be a few technical issues in the final construction with keyboards and power supplies, but, overall, this would get people exactly what they want, I would think.

Maybe I am over simplifying, I don't think so though.

Actually you are not simplifying anything. The PSU comes with the choice of motherboard, and in the case of X86 Micro ATX or Mini ITX there are laptop style external PSUs.

The cost is for tooling up for production, the actual cases once the moulds are finished are peanuts compared to the C-USA $400 charge for an empty C64x keyboard

[Amiga_Nut]

It's quite obvious people don't want to put down an advance order pre-payment from the poll results, and who can blame them?

[Amiga_Nut]

Unless Natami can delivery 100mhz 060 performance Amiga for £199 I am not interested.

And unless Minimig can undercut an Mini ITX £60 solution again I am not interested.

Amithlon will never come back to life, thanks to the copyright vultures gnawing at the carcass of the Amiga (including ineffectual Hyperion in this group).

So You can see how the community is fragmented forever now? Some people will buy my creations, many won't. And to them I say all the best with whatever choices you go for.

Amiga is dead, it will never return in its true form because the company and engineers who made the magic are long gone (and sadly in the case of Jay Miner are long since departed).

And to be honest asking C=USA to build you an OS4 compatible is a tall order, and the issue is the cost price of the parts being uneconomical in today's billions of instructions per second £400 i7 PCs in shops everywhere.

(I was never really interested in OS4/MOS seeing as all I am doing is running an emulator and using the same pirated ADFs to use the good stuff as on my Windows PC via WinUAE)

[Amiga_Nut]

Sorry, you are wrong.  Hyperion did not win anything in a court case, there was a settlement between AI and Hyperion but the judge did not rule for Hyperion.  Hyperion and Cloanto are both dependent on Amiga Inc for several items.

The kickstart roms for Cloanto, although since those days it turns out Amiga Inc have no legal claim to the Kickstart IP

[Amiga_Nut]

1. Hyperion *has not* won anything in a court case.
2. Hyperion *does not* own Amiga OS.
3. Hyperion *is not* completely independent from Amiga Inc.

Get your facts straight...

:rolleyes:

They only own Amiga OS 4.x that's it. They can never make Amiga OS 5 or later as far as I understood it.

[Amiga_Nut]

It is a waste of time for the original poster to write more here, as there are the same few usual suspects that drown every thread that has any mention of CUSA with so much hate and crap that no sane discussion can take place.

I'm not saying that anything useful might happen, but it can't here with all the crap that is added to any thread that mentions CUSA.

I am quite sick of all of it and very tempted to click the "Ignore" button on every CUSA hater on this forum, just to be able to read threads without all of their crap all the time every day.  Their posts outnumber actual CUSA information about 100 to one.

Of course they will now attack me and say it is all CUSA's fault for using this site for their own free advertising site and they are Forced to post in retaliation.  It is all so very silly and childish.

How is that different to real life. Every new model of Mercedes/Audi/BMW is publicly ridiculed by the competitor. It's no different here. When Commodore USA make the equivalent of a BMW M3 we will have no way to ridicule a product which is so good people buy it despite who it is manufactured by.

If the C64x was better/cheaper it could have made a big difference. The rest of their line up is either a PC with a sticker on it with even worse value for money OR a secret project we all have to fund upfront via 500 sales held in escrow.

Their reputation and treatment here is a direct correlation with the childlike CEO rants and raves and their overpriced/underwhelming products and ideas to date.

Posting here to basically to say "sorry we haven't got a clue what to do with the Amiga name because we are not intelligent enough so please give us a product idea on a plate and pay up front" is never going to help them.

If I come up with the winning idea for what is produced I want my 15% of total gross sales for my efforts.....and that's if I wanted to deal with someone like BS Altman to be honest (which I don't).

[Amiga_Nut]

I want to see a Laptop.....

I honestly don't care if its PPC, X86, Old Amiga hardware, or a hamster with an abacus....

I would love CommodoreUSA, MorphOS, Hyperion, Cloanto, or Natami pick a laptop that is commonly found on the market write drivers for it and let me boot Directly into an Amiga (or Amiga like) OS, and have all the parts work for once.

We've seen the laptop conversion mods, etc... But I'm not that handy with a scroll saw.

Can this all be done by the hobbist.... sure... customize a Linux distro that boots into UAE... Ya got it... All the driver support in the world... Yup, but not my point....

If CUSA wants to do something cool, take the design of an Amiga 500 and make a laptop. That is what I want to see... Even if its just CommodoreOS with UAE.

100% Amithlon compatible PC laptop? There must be one somewhere in the world way back in the distant past of 2000-2011 no?