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Re: I don't get it.
« on: June 22, 2010, 04:33:47 AM »
Speaking for myself, it's about growing the user-base. It will always be about that. When the base is big enough, then they can experiment with something like the X1000. But going for such a machine now, without bringing a lot of users back is like building the roof before you've even laid the foundation. THAT's what I don't get. :)
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Re: I don't get it.
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2010, 01:48:00 AM »
@ Those who are talking about "camps."

While I can't say this isn't about camps -- there will always be someone who thinks it is -- I can guarantee that for many of us this is about _suicide._

Let's say you have a friend who managed to jump off a cliff. Now, let's say you have another friend, just like the first, who is getting ready to jump off another cliff, and you say "Stop, Amigo! Please don't jump off that cliff!" Is this motivated out of hatred? Jealousy? Anger? C'mon, get serious! It's because you don't want to see another friend get hurt.

Now, let's say you try to talk some reason into that friend, but he won't listen; he's still bound and determined to jump. Do you, A) stand their silently and let him? B) Get angry and ask him why he's doing this? C) Plead with him not to do this? Or, D) Tell him you're superior to him, so go ahead and jump!

Many Amiga fans are wondering why Hyperion and Clan are preparing to jump off a cliff. People saying things like "too expensive and/or too weak" fall into the "why are you doing this?" category, not the "silently let him" or "go ahead and jump" category. For many, this has moved from wonderment to criticism and then anger because Hyperion doesn't appear to be listening. Without a rational explanation of why this particular hardware and price ratio was chosen, how else can they react?

People like myself, who have argued that "it should be x86, but if it must be PPC, then xBox, Wii or PS3" aren't doing so out of jealousy. We're motivated out of astonishment. If you want to succeed, you need a user base, and in order to have a user base, your solution must be affordable. And, instead, we see our friend getting ready to jump off a cliff yet again.

It sad, really, but I guarantee you, it ain't about camps or jealousy or anything other than fear, disbelief and amazement.
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Re: I don't get it.
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2010, 04:24:23 PM »
And you just pointed out the main reason why many of us think it should be x86, Andy.

Unfortunately, they're just to invested in PPC, and a are SBT (screwed, blued and tattooed) any way you look at it. And, so is the user base.
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Re: I don't get it.
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2010, 11:06:15 PM »
Quote from: AJCopland;567215
There's a lot of arguments against that, and I don't just mean peoples personal feelings.
AOS _still_ wouldn't be able to access anything more than the first physical core and SMT would be equally wasted. Compatibility would be thrown out for old PPC programs, emulation would be required which is not easy. Plus AOS itself would have to be ported including any and all endianess issues.

It also wouldn't bring any greater hardware compatibility because no-one has released any drivers of Amiga OS and the ones we do have would also need porting.

Sure it'd get us access to cheaper hardware but if you're looking for x86 AOS then you're looking for AROS.


Don't get me wrong, because I like what AROS has accomplished, but AROS suffers from the same issue all open source software does: it gets updated when it gets updated (no schedule and rocking). Which is why I'd like to see a professionally supported AmigaOS derivative. Personally, I don't care if it's AOS4 or MorphOS, but cheap affordable hardware is all that matters anymore, especially if you want to grow your base.

Regarding the endianess and emulation issues... that's like me worrying about whether or not my car is slant/straight or V. I don't care. I just want it to get me down the road. :)
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Re: I don't get it.
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2010, 05:17:36 AM »
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well, open source doesnt mean you cant have dedicated resources behind it. If a company put some weight behind AROS development, it'd do as fine as anything else.
 
Team up with a few small suppliers of PC hardware to produce more ready to go systems like the imica and you have a nice little setup for hobby guys

Yep. Which is why I've been watching the development of the iMica and AresOne with interest. An interesting new business model may be emerging here...
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Re: I don't get it.
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2010, 11:51:18 PM »
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The largest BAFs are people with AROS and MacMorph who believe they are using a Amiga. WinUAE too.


:rolleyes:

In the words of Bill O'Reilly: "Pinhead? You decide."
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