Not sure if the boxer killed them or not. I know they were almost all Video Toaster (when they could get machines) and Alphas systems in the end. I was not sure if they were actually fronting the money for the Boxer. I saw two of the prototype boards. I think there were three boards and almost all different from each other (in appearance at least). When I asked what the problem was with the board not being done, I was told timing issues. It took an 060 right on the board. At one point they were trying to get the rights via Quickpak to make the A4000T. Quickpak said they have rights to make the A4000T and the 060 board that was basically a commodore DEV board that Quickpak put in to production. That board was HUGE. I guess there was a suite and Quickpak was not allowed to make the 4000T anymore. It was so frustrating watching all these people trying to keep the Amiga alive and everyone was just killing each other and not doing anything. Although Quickpak really did not have much of the ability to make anything other than the A4000T motherboard, they wanted to take that and make a luggable Toaster machine.