real amiga vs winuae

[amigaksi]

No, you were using the term "emulate" as used in the context of psychology:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emulation_(observational_learning)

In the context of computer emulation, the following definition is used:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emulator

Another confirmation of this can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emulation_(disambiguation)

Also check this link:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/emulate

You are using the wrong definition, and use that to support some of your claims. And even when people point this out to you, you stick to it. That's just amazing.
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I know what people mean from the context.  You want to PURPOSELY MISLEAD people knowing well the correct definition.  You are such a shameless person.  You should read what people think about emulation being a better amiga.

>It's not my definition. Cycle exact means the system is emulated at the cycle level. It does not dictate how long a cycle is - in such case it would be refered to as "timing". You cling to your own definition, since that would support your claims. Again that's just amazing.

There's something called definition by context which is more significant than randomly quoting things from websites.  I understand your definition but that's not what people are implying when I reply to them.

[amigaksi]

I'm not misleading anyone, you are. I'm presenting facts, and you choose to ignore it. That's worse than ignorance.

AFAIK I've never claimed that emulation is "better", because that's a matter of opinion. The only thing I've claimed is that cycle accurate emulation is perfectly possible, and you've claimed it's not.
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You are presenting the same definition over and over again which does NOT apply to the people I'm replying to.  I'm not referring to you and your definitions.  I know your definitions:  emulate -- attempt to mimic; cycle accurate -- does not refer to time of cycle.  Great for you.  If everyone agreed with that, that would be great.

There's no opinion when timing is wrong and someone thinks it's right.  That means they are NOT referring to your definitions.

>And in this discussion, you've clinged on to the wrong definition of "computer emulator" and "cycle accurate", because your own definitions would support your claims.

You are too ignorant to see the context.  

>Definition by context. Exactly. And I'm using the definition suitable for the context of computer emulation, whereas you are using a definition which is intended for psychology/sociology - for the simple reason that the actual wording for that definition support some twisted idea of yours.

They are NOT going by your wiki bullcrap.  The context is within this topic.  You are once again distorting what is actually being stated by people with your own definition.  Or you are just desperate to reply to your mistakes from last year.

>Stay in your bubble, Amigaski. The real world is horrible anyway.

You are stuck in the bubble and don't even know it.

[amigaksi]

You're being silly now.


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That's a "good" argument.

>Ignorant? You're the one that's constantly refusing to check up facts, check emulator sources, reading common knowledge bases such as wikipedia. You even claim that these sources of information is wrong - but refuse to back that up with facts (claiming you don't need to, because you "already know" - which you obviously don't).

I know your references and I did back up with facts that CONTEXT is different.  If the people I replied to went by your definitions that cycle exact does not refer to timing, and emulation is just an attempt I wouldn't be wasting my time with them.

>...denial. You don't want to accept truth, since it doesn't suit your own needs.
>That's much worse than ignorance.

Your emulation can not work for my timing needs so I am not going to accept someone claiming "it's functionally equivalent to a real amiga."

>You moron - I didn't write that stuff. It's not my definitions. It's the definition found in 99% of the dictionaries found on planet earth. What you're saying is that I shouldn't stick to the actual definition of the word, but rather a definition which isn't intended for that context.

You have to POINT out those definitions to those people that are claiming it's functionally equivalent or it's better than a real amiga.  Name calling doesn't help you establish the truth-- it just shows you are biased.

>That's pure stupidity.

It's stupidity on your part that you want me to stick to the definition and remain silent while people use some other distorted definition and mislead people.  That makes you a misleading personality as well.

>You're the one that's constantly misleading people and bending the truth.

PROVE IT.  Anyone can blurt out whatever comes on the top of his head like you have done in this topic.  Go read the dictionary and answer each reply by looking each word up in the dictionary and you'll see what I mean by CONTEXT.

>I have no interest in doing so. The reason I reply to your posts is because I think it's wrong of you to mislead people like you do. Some people with less technical expertise might actually believe you, and I think that's wrong.

You have problems with English language that's why you write bullcrap like above.

[amigaksi]

You use "bullcrap" a lot don't you? :confused:

That's a technical question.

[amigaksi]

A good decision. Discussing with the "owners of the truth" is pure waste of time...

That should be followers of the truth (without having some selfish ambition to fulfill).

[amigaksi]

I've done that like - what - 10 times or so, by refering you to emulator source codes or by providing links supporting the semantics in question. Each time you either refuse to read it, stating that you already know better, or discard the source for some other reason (including wikipedia, wiktionary, probably also encarta, websters).

About context - You're the one that constantly talks about "emulate" as in "equal or excel", and apply that to computer emulation. The context for that exact wording comes from sociology and psychology, something you would discover if you just *read* the sources I've provided - but you somehow completely lack the capability to process the information you've been given.

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I already answered this to you last year.  You are making the same argument without refuting the answer.  In the dictionary source I quoted to you, it is defined as "emulate= equal or excel" and it states nothing about only applying to sociology.  

>I've been a well established tech writer since ten years. I'm more than familiar with the topics we've discussed, and I think I know my english. What's your excuse?

You should argue English then and not emulation because each person has his own understanding of what emulation is giving them.  And some of the claims here are clearly false.  So rather than dealing with that, you bring on last year's argument once again as if you had some revenge in mind.

[amigaksi]

Its vice versa also. And I somehow do understand some of the "pro-pc"-people here, its a bit hard not to belittle the arguments of the "pro-amiga"-people as these "unique amiga advantages" are ancient history and has no use whatsoever in todays computing. And has not been for a decade.

The biggest "unique" feature is old playable games and thats it, and even that is made possible through emulation.

PROVE IT.
Anyone can state what comes up in his head.  It takes a brain to prove stuff.

[amigaksi]

I find this thread fascinating... Simply because I can't understand where amigaski is coming from... Trolling? Delusional? Confused? or just plain stupid?

It's the first one-- you can't understand where amigaksi is coming from.

[amigaksi]

Damn, I couldn't stop myself. Sorry people, please accept my humble apologies. I don't appreciate discussions such as this one either, but then again I'm too easy to provoke I guess.

Amigaski, like I said - we won't agree no matter how long this discussion is. Let's just drop it, ok? If you really need to reply to my previous post, do so by posting a PM instead.

You are the one who keeps claiming "I'm done with you" and then keep coming back.

I haven't yet figured out how to access pmail on this new amiga.org; there used to be a way to see all the topics you replied to and look at pmail but it's a new interface...

[amigaksi]

I think some of those advantages if they were properly implemented on the PC would be welcomed by most users.  But its just a theoretical argument, because most PC's-like 99%- will never have a boot time under 10 seconds, will always have a registry, will always be wasteful and inefficient with their use of hardware resources, will always have GUI performance issues, will always make you wait for things that they shouldn't make you wait for, will always have a wait pointer, will always have major malware problems, but you'll be able to do more things, many of which you won't want, need or just plain find frustrating to work with.  But hey that might not matter

Correct.  They are only useful if they are better on the PC; otherwise, there is not much use for them.  What a lame way to argue.

[amigaksi]

i am not sure which way to take that: do you agree or disagree with the post/

Yeah, I agree with your statement that if you implemented on the PC in a better way than Amiga, the Pro-PC camp would welcome them.  Now if those features are superior on Amiga, they are considered useless or "we left those long time ago" sort of things.  So if they implemented a digital joystick as standard or put OS in ROM or stuff like that, then PC people would find them useful features.  Just following blindly whatever is being marketed currently.

[amigaksi]

The current marketsituation pretty much proves it, doesn't it? In my eyes it tells not very many people find Amiga of any serious use.

I was asking you to prove your statement: these "unique amiga advantages" are ancient history and has no use whatsoever in todays computing.

This was just a speculation on your part.

[amigaksi]

I was not speculating. I was telling a cold hard fact. Let's turn it all around, if AmigaOS has so much good in it and is so superior in so many areas, why it hasn't found even a nichemarket for itself, while many OS-projects that started later with less to begin with has succeeded in some way? Partly its of course by bad management (lightly said) but theres something else to it: time. Time has passed, needs have changed. Even if there was plenty of hardware at decent prices it still wouldn't help AmigaOS to rise from the pit it sunk itself years back.

To get back to topic, this is why I think emulation is the way to go, especially because of the superb emulation WinUAE provides. It's a simple and costeffective way for many people to hobby Amiga and keep even some attachment to it, and still do the important things with proper tools. Not to mention those who really WANT to use AmigaOS, but can't be arsed to buy uberexpensive underpowered hardware.

You didn't answer the point and just made a declaration that it's a "cold hard fact".  I wasn't speaking of the OS.  You are PC-fanatic so obviously, you prefer people use emulators on PCs than Amiga hardware.  But I guess you can go one step further and state that it's better to use PC native mode for a particular software than emulated version since it's more efficient, but I guess first you want them to start using PC hardware.

[amigaksi]

that's an easy question: Windows is SO SLOW and bloated because users are stupid: People is educated to use scumm. They don't notice/care.
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Most of the audience for Windows is non-technical so the OS that becomes slower and slower gradually by using it can't be blamed on users.  It has to be blamed on the OS since that's a major point they missed in all the upgrades they keep offering.  

As far as shut-down, I know for older Windows I used to tell people to just turn off the power but now with hard disk accesses going on almost constantly, you have to tell them to shut-down from the start menu.  If they do turn it off, it increases their boot-up time since the disk checks hog up a minute or so (and 99% of the time they find nothing).

[amigaksi]

Me? PC-Fanatic? :-)

Been Amigist for almost 20 years, longtime Pegasos1 and 2 owner (which I sadly had to sell as I was going bankcrupt) and on top of that I am still moderating at Morphzone.org, been since it was born. You better come up with something else than that bull, mate

Your behavior was that of a PC-fanatic.  Not familiar with Pegasos-- does that have amiga h/w or just all software emulation?

[amigaksi]

lol no the pegasos 1 & 2  is a next gen board as was the a1 and sam.
they ran morphos and linux, tho i think aos 4.1 is available for the pegasos 2

Question was whether the Pegasos uses the custom chip set (amiga h/w) or not.