My hard disk is still alive!! but ...

[A4000_Mad]

Hi person,

'hd2:?

Not a sight you really want to see I'm afraid :-( But there is hope as I have recovered from a partition like this using Quarterback-Tools and chose to recover the data to a different partition. However, I believe it's a commercial program and don't think you can download it free from anywhere.

[A4000_Mad]

Yes it is an Amiga tool. You won't get into that partition with Directory Opus. I've never connected Amiga hard drives to a PC myself, but it sounds very unlikely to me.

Prehaps someone could confirm this for you?

[A4000_Mad]

sim085 wrote:
So to get this program on my amiga can I download it on my PC; insert an amiga floppy in the computer and use WinUAE to save that program on the floppy? or talking {bleep}?

That isn't total {bleep} but again someone who uses WinUAE would have to talk you through it.

EDIT - See post above :-D

[A4000_Mad]

sim085 wrote:

However when I put scotch and inserted on the PC I could not understand how to make it format at 720k.

[A4000_Mad]

Yes, the plan would now be to put the DiskSalv11_32.lha file onto the floppy and take it to the Amiga. You would then use a program such as lha in the Amiga to unpack the DiskSalv11_32.lha using a certain command which we can come back to later (lha will probably need to be downloaded with your PC and taken to the Amiga on the floppy as well unless it is already present in the C drawer of your Workbench. You can check if it is there with your Directory Opus).

Your next problem appears to be getting the Amiga to read the PC formatted floppy. In Workbench 3.0 there is an icon called PC0 inside a drawer called DOSDrivers which is inside a drawer called Storage. i.e. Workbench:Storage/DOSDrivers

After inserting the PC floppy and double clicking on PC0 an additional icon would appear for the PC floppy together with one called DF0:


However, I don't think the icon PC0 is present in your Workbench 2.04. Can you check this?

[A4000_Mad]

Hmmm..... Other files to check for are CrossDOSFilesystem in the L drawer of Workbench (Workbench:L) and I believe mfm.device in Workbench:Devs

Yes, it's worth checking that the files are present on your Workbench floppy disks and booting from them. If PC0 is not present on the Workbench disk, try looking on the Extras disk (it's been a while since I've used 2.04)

[A4000_Mad]

I think it's probably a case that PC0 cannot work without the other files being present.

[A4000_Mad]

Workbench has hidden files as with windoze. To see them after opening a drawer you need to hold down the right mouse button, go to the top of the Workbench screen and under the heading 'Window' select 'Show' and then 'All files'. They should then appear. But DirectoryOpus is far quicker for checking that files are present and moving them around etc.

I was just busy grabbing the script of PC0 as seen in my Directory Opus:-


/* $VER: PC0 40.1 (31.8.93)
 *
 * CrossDOS file system entry
 *
 * This file enables CrossDOS on the built-in floppy drive normally
 * referred to as DF0:. PC1 does the same for DF1. By creating new versions
 * of this file and changing the Unit line to use other numbers, you can
 * make CrossDOS available on other devices. For example, changing the value
 * of Unit to 2 would create a mount file that would enable CrossDOS on DF2.
 */

FileSystem  = L:CrossDosFileSystem
Device      = mfm.device
Flags    = 1
Surfaces = 2
SectorsPerTrack   = 9
SectorSize  = 512
Reserved = 1
Interleave  = 0
LowCyl      = 0
HighCyl     = 79
Buffers     = 5
BufMemType  = 0
StackSize   = 600
Priority = 10
GlobVec     = -1
DosType     = 0x4D534400

/* The Unit field is controlled by tooltypes in the PC0 icon.
 *
 * Unit     = 0
 */


You can see that we were on the right track by the 11th line FileSystem = L:CrossDosFilesystem and the 12th line Device = mfm.device

Unfortunately this will probably have to be my last post tonight and we are a bit stuck. As per the error report you got earlier, I wonder if there is a fault with your file called Mount which should be in Workbench:C

You could try using DirectoryOpus to copy it in again overwriting the existing one. Prehaps even putting in the version from a Workbench 3.1 disk.

[A4000_Mad]

You're very welcome  :-) :pint:

:sleep:

[A4000_Mad]

8-)

As usual with A.Org I came back again for one last look :-)

Glad that worked ok :cheers:

[A4000_Mad]

Hi sim085 & kvasir

Been out all day but thought I'd drop by by before hitting the hay :-)


@ sim085

Glad you managed to save all your data 8-)

To avoid geting jumbled up file names you might want to put fat95 in Workbench:L and use MS0 instead of PC0.....




Compare the contents of the same floppy using PC0 (top) and MS0 (bottom).....




You might also be interested to see how the same floppy disk looks in OS3.9.....



G'night :pint:

[A4000_Mad]

sim085 wrote:

is it possible to move some files from the Amiga to the PC using this method?

Yes indeed! You would initially use the method of transfer that you have just learned to get the files fat95 snd MS0 into your Amiga.

[A4000_Mad]

Hi sim085

Firstly note that things are going to look quite different in your Amiga than in the screenshots I have taken with OS3.9.


I did wonder how you previously managed to unpack the DiskSalv11_32.lha file. I was expecting you to report that it had a jumbled up file name when viewed on the floppy with your Amiga, and would have told you to drag it into Ram and rename it correctly.

where do I find MS0.lha? I tried searching on google and did not find it. Or this one is already in FAT95.lha?  

There is no file called MS0.lha. The file FAT95.LHA unpacks to give a drawer called fat95. Other drawers and files including MS0 are inside the created drawer called fat95...............



My suggested way to proceed is:-

1. Use DirectoryOpus to check that you have a file called LHA in Workbench:C (If not present you will have to get it from possibly Aminet and put it in)

2. Use your PC0 method of floppy disk transfer to get the file FAT95.LHA into Ram of your Amiga. If it appears to just vanish when you drag and drop it into Ram, go back to my previous post that begins with "Workbench has hidden files as with Windoze". Rename FAT95.LHA correctly if its name is jumbled up when you look at it in Ram.


In the drawer Workbench:System you should find an icon called Shell or CLI. This is like the command line in Windoze which you used previously to format the 720K floppy disk with your PC.

3. Double click on the Shell or CLI icon and at the command line type:-

cd Ram: and press the Enter key

(cd stands for Current Directory)

4. Now type:-

lha x -a FAT95.LHA and press the Enter key.................



Immediately after pressing Enter you should see a fast scrolling list of files that are being extracted out of FAT95.LHA

5. Close your Ram window then re-open it again and you should see a created drawer called fat95.

6. Get the file fat95 and put it in Workbench:L and get MS0 and put it in Workbench:Storage/DOSDrivers (if you have a Workbench:Devs/DOSDrivers drawer, then putting it in there would get MS0 activated every time you start your Amiga. If not, just double click on MS0 in Workbench:Storage/DOSDrivers when you want it activated (You can actually put MS0 in any drawer you like in your hard drive and it will still work when double clicked).

You could of course use your DirectoryOpus to get these files and put them in the correct locations. You'll find the file fat95 at the location Ram:fat95/l and you'll find MS0 in Ram:fat95/english

 :-)

[A4000_Mad]

"Sorry for the late reply". Now worries, Amigans are used to waiting for years ;-)

Sounds like your floppy disk has got corrupted. I suggest you either try again with a different floppy disk or format the same one again with your PC or your Amiga. To do it with the Amiga click on the icon MSDOS5.0, hold down the right mouse button and under the heading 'Icons' at the top of the Workbench screen select 'Format disk...'

If you are given the option of doing a 'Format' or a 'Quick format' I would choose 'Format'.

[A4000_Mad]

Hi sim085

Sorry I'm late but I knew this would require some serious free time for playing with my computers :-D

I've just been through the whole thing myself to check it out. I'd never actually got around to putting tape over the hole on a 1.44MB floppy, so I started by doing that and using the command Format A: /t:90 /n:9 in Windoze XP to format it to 720K (works a treat :-))

Next I downloaded the file FAT95.LHA from Aminet, put it onto the floppy disk and took it to my A4000.



1. After inserting the disk and getting an unreadable icon, I opened up Workbench:Storage/DOSDrivers and double clicked on the icon PC0.

If it is seeing the disk as MSD5.0 then it seems that FAT95 has already been installed right!? or?

Wrong it would seem. I also got a floppy disk icon named MSDOS5.0 on my Workbench screen which has CrossDos written on it. So, getting an icon called MSDOS5.0 is *not* an indication that fat95 is installed. (It is the driver PC0 which uses the CrossDoSFileSystem in Workbench:L)  

I've always installed fat95 by simply putting the single file of the same name into the L drawer of Workbench. Its file size is 26488 and you can easily look with your DirectoryOpus to see if it is in there.

2. I dragged the file FAT95.LHA into Ram.

3. I opened up a Shell and typed:-

cd Ram: and pressed the Enter key.

followed by typing:-

lha x -a FAT95.LHA and pressing the Enter key.



4. I closed my Ram window and then opened it again to see the newly created drawer called fat95 (You may need to select 'Clean up' from the menus at the top of the screen to bring it into view). Inside the fat95 drawer was a drawer called english.

5. I went in the drawer called english and just double clicked on the icon MS0. This made another icon for the same floppy disk appear which was named 5C14-CDBF and had a Windows logo on it, so everything had worked perfectly 8-)

After pressing cancel for sometime

I believe that repeatedly clicking cancel was just telling the Amiga to skip what it couldn't read and move on to the next part that it couldn't read properly. Repeatedly clicking on 'Retry' would probably have been the better way to go. But don't bother mate as I still think it is a problem with your floppy disk. Try formatting others with your PC and make sure that you don't spell FAT95.LHA wrongly in the Shell command line of your Amiga. I only missed out the dot and was was told "Unable to open archive!" "Operation failed".



P.S.

Decided to go through it again with an A4000 running OS3.1. This should be nearer to what you are seeing with your own Amiga :-)




:pint: