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[lempkee]

our team allready enquired for it , we need it but i understand others who step out, 060 ppc cards is rare when it comes to a1200.

anyway thoose who mention aros in here should be hanged , AROS is a X86 amiga os project.

give it to someone who loves the community and will stay around and not in UAE or on a Pc..

if its given to any in the active dev teams then i would appriciate it , but giving it to someone who wants to kill off amiga and its os? , bleh.

there u go, now i said it..aros is just another example of why people move to pc (aros is quite ok , but it aint for amiga hw...so bleh... or maybe with this card we would get aros on a real amiga ?...hmmm never crossed me mind....sorry for trolling if so..)

cheers

[lempkee]

anyway i undwerstand why he dont want to sell the stuff, just give it away..., i am also like that...given away heaps of stuff i dont use (amiga) .

anyway id like it if you considered the donation to be to a dev team which is still in the amiga sector, it will be a hard choice .

i will name a few just in case , Amizilla (mozilla for amigaos) , total chaos Team (a special amiga game project) , the morphos team (one of the key people broke his classic amiga hw) , Eterinity (tales of tamar) , Creative studios , ADA (z5) he has one of the best scene oriented sites for amiga demos and he have no ppc (a ppc would help him alot on making the site better).

hope this helps abit , i blew up at the aros people but thats because of various reasons and one is like i said, its an X86 (PC) project.

cheers and good luck with your choice.

[lempkee]

bloodline: sure the problem is easy, its X86 and i dont have a X86 and never will.. _=)

and todo a ppc port? hmm sounds ok enough but i rather stick my work into os4 , atleast for now.

so what other ports are there atm ? , i have only heard of X86 version and i am pretty sure it will stay there until there is somesort of an final compilation.

beyond that i aint a fan of opensourced stuff, its like working in a dirty kitchen, with all due respect but thats my opinion and i am pretty sure alot of other people think the same.

[lempkee]

just to state that, mozilla is under the axe atm and it seems commerical browsers will be allowed in the race aswell, ie ibrowse or voyager, they just need to add the lot into thoose guis and they can have the money donated.., or something like that.

also they are considering aweb , which i think will be stupid , the gui suck and even with it beeing OPEN SOURCE it have stood still since.

i hope that ibrowse gets it though since its a browser which is good enough + still produced for amiga , voyager is a morphos only product atm since the author doesnt have a classic ppc anymore (they claim)   ..lets see

cheers

[lempkee]

bloodline: ok i checked the aros site many times but i have allways missed thoose 68k etc ports, can you provide me with one? , and i doubt i would use my time on it though (dev) due to i have too much in my hands atm.

either pm or email me with some info, and as i told earlier the reason why i was so hostile was because of x86, if there is an 68k i am more than willing to try it out and then comment it, oh and btw os4 works fine on classic hw if u have a cybppc so i didnt really understand why u said that,m but then again it mght have been YET another missunderstanding by me..

i am anti to all thoose who belive since its old its free , thats why i am no fan of opensource or abandon bla etc, sure its good for the stuff thats abandon but not the stuff that aint but the website claim it is..

everyone knows TOSEC by now, just another example of how people can say they are dooing abandonware untill u actually do research and find Your own products in it AND is still active on amiga...

anyway i know aros is legal or said to be, never been a 100% clarification done by amiga.inc but it never would be either so (we know them heh) so all in all provide me with some links or whatever and i will check it out.

cheers

(sorry if i broke someones heart, but i am 100% amiga and that means i dont go for option 2 or 3 etc....)

[lempkee]

dammy: do you remeber when amithlon surfaced ? , people screamed it was totally legal etc and everything was so good that everyone should move over to it , alot of people was lost to x86 because of amithlon and they wont come back and guess what only 5% maybe of them sticked with amithlon, rest use now windows and ignores amiga or uses uae now and then though less and less.

thats my point, this is why everything is as it is and why i am abit rude to the new kids on the block, sorry but i really never put amithlon behind me due to the fact i lost alot of friends because they moved over there and found out it wasnt as it was described (super puper fast and bla bla) , and that amigaos 4 was going x86 etc...made people leave amiga ppc and 68k... for x86, and they wont return unless something big happens..

anyway i always wish for amiga to be the Thing again but i dont think it ever will due to the fact that we have uae,amithlon,umilator,aros,morphos to make amiga just another....ummm thing.... though its nice to make it appeal to everyone but then again look at linux, it aint actually living wealthy because of sales number on the sw etc..

people dont buy sw or support the plattform unless the crack or whatever is crap, because they couldnt care less ... (majority speaking ofcourse) ..

i just hope people who use aros and morphos and uae and amithlon etc supports the market by registrating products and buys sw etc.

though its quite good that we have a forum crowd but there is many who dont even know of the forums and there is also them who wont bother with it..

sorry for the long message, but i am just trying to explain my point of view as a developer and how the last 5? years have effected me and the people around me.

(i might get slayed when this has been read but i hope people will understand why and what...)

[lempkee]

odin:i totally agree with you , but my point was more or less, support the shops , negotiate with prices of older sw if prices are high (i do that...and they all want to sell so..atleast them serious ones..)

sure dont bother to negotiate on new stuff but i was talking about older if so..

anyway as far as lemmings is concerned Dma approved it as Abandonware ages ago , but not the 2player amiga only release (only them normal ones).

my point was more or less why not buy if u like ?, sure i dont say pay 50 quid for a non rare game or such if u aint a collector, but rather than like tosec etc (who gives a #### about the shops and authors of the sw etc) you might want to go to a shop and check out etc, i know it aint mainstream anymore but then again it never would be if the shops aint supported.

as for nightlong , i bought that aswell ..set me back about 100 ukp ;(  when i bought that, very expensive game, but still it was worth it in my eyes.., but then again u can pick that up at forematt.co.uk for 18 quid now (and thats v1.1 sets)...

anyway if a game is worth playing its worth buying, sadly there is alot of not worthy games out there atm , especially the period 98-2000 , games like Joyride, turboracer3d etc simply dont even justify a price at 7 quid...
but it doesnt jusity it for beeing abandonware like tosec claim it is (and it aint), apanosin was on tosec before there was an commercial release of it, just like the old days eh?... and apano sin wasnt infact a bad game either but i must admit i expected abit more of it..

i still buy old games from shops in euorpoe and usa, mostly because i am a collector and due to the fact that i love games, and it gives me a good feeling that i support the shops + own the games, but i have been burnt a few times with lame ass shops like " amigastuff.co.uk , amigagames.co.uk and epic uk , alive and archon...allof theese should have been closed down at the opening day, they publish illegal liscenses (they still do) and claim to have liscenses for ol games as xenon 2 on a cdr (cdtv version) and take money for it, same goes for monkey island 1,2 cd and fotaq cd...all are illegal and dubious cracks (i contacted the authors after i got the cds in my post and noticed it was cracks and a paper label on a cdr)
other games as fighting spirit and such is also redistrubuted from alive (now called amigagames.co.uk and amigastuff.co.uk) which again is illegal versions and not a dime goes to the developers,and guess what...they are still on amiga also , but they opened the games to bttr but not the cd versions (cd32)..
confusing?  it should be....

cheers