@lempkee
The point I was making is that there is a legal precedent reegarding bundled software. Yes, you can refuse any bundled OEM software and get a refund if a license fee for including it in the package is involved. Obviously "FREE" copies don't count.
Yes, the vendors may well laugh at you, but if you want a product and tell them what purpose you want it for, they cannot force you to pay for bundled software you don't have any use for. The vendors laugh because not enough people realise this.
Even regardless of that, tell me since when do customers who have a problem with Microsoft Office have to contact A-bit to report it? Or the shop they bought it from? Or the distributor?
Software support, from first-line onwards, is the responsibility of the publisher, and if the publisher can't handle it then it falls to the developer. NOT the hardware manufacturers or the system vendors. There is an exception to this in the corporate sector, but this is the consumer sector we're talking about here.
so we have to be lawyers to be customers of OEM products now ?
also if you remove the bundled software then the console or computer you buy would normally be alot higher than if you bought the actaul OEM liscensed one.
so please SPARE me from this.
a last note , is it up to the customers worldwide now to determine if its a liscensed oem product or if its tossed in as a freebie ? , all cover mounted stuff HAS to be liscensed (as in, contacted the company who made it or whats left of it etc) , anything else than that is
PIRACY!about this:
Even regardless of that, tell me since when do customers who have a problem with Microsoft Office have to contact A-bit to report it? Or the shop they bought it from? Or the distributor?
thats a very good point! , and as the actual state of the pc industry this is upto the shop that sold you the stuff and down to the end user,
its pissing alot of people off , like big companies who make oem deals with a shop and delivers machines out to the workers (private) and then the actual workplace gets herrased by people needing help etc, all in all i think the shop should have full responsibility for what they sell , if they did then they also would loose customers and have no one to blame , the most common thing you hear is "its not our fault, its m$" but they still keep selling the #### and in the long run the users just accepts it or forgets it.
its like , if you go and rent a DVD and its not working , then the shop wont say , ERM ITS NOT MY FAULT ,its the chain we work for , contact NEWLINE ...or whatever .
simply they do this , ask you to pick another one (some shops/blockbuster rent etc actually tests the medium if its working and no matter the results they give u a free rent movie)
this disucussion is pretty dull, we all know how it is in the real world , if you buy nything then you go to the shop and you dont start messing around unless its a last resort.
and beyond that you don't buy macosx to run on a pc with windows and expect it to work straight out of the box do u? (mol is an option but that requires linux)
so if you want amigaos , buy an amiga.. easy as that.
(or an amigaos liscensed machine, you buy a branded os for an branded machine)
anyone here bought windowsXP for their pegasos yet? ..
