Amiga One vs. Pegasos

[lempkee]

i can only laugh at this, this is just like amithlon was released , people saying it was 100 times faster than an 060 amiga....

i have tested it and it aint , teoretical yes its faster , but nothing works here for real benchmarks (usage) .. anyway its gotten better lately (last year ++)

then u have the uaE deals , why buy an amiga if u can use uae? as uae allready is so much faster than the 060, well i tried uae for this on a amd2600xp setup , and guess what i wasnt impressed at all...NOT AT ALL..
(speed was OK on maybe 10-15% of the stuff, os usage roxx like in amitlon but still it didnt feel like an amiga besides i hate to have millions of cfg files just so i could run what i do dayly...)


then we have the pegasos deal and its emu, sure it does work but the speed? , if thats running faster than a 060 then u need to wake up! , before it can run faster than a 060 u will need something to run on it..right+++?? and i am not talking about benchmarks etc as they mean nothing when it comes to the software catalogue, its like this.. on my amiga and my friends pc...SYSINFO works , but this doesnt mean i can run any 060 or old software on my setup anyway...now does it?.

sorry for flame but saying that brian was wrong and spreading fud aint a good deal unless u check it for real, anyway did u measure it in mips or mflops? (that it was faster than a 060 in the emu) , anyway i want uae on my amiga (OFCOURE)  or an jit emu so that i could run all my x stuff on the new amiga/pegasos but 1 thing is for sure i have tested it and i live not very far away from a pegasos user and i have alot of pc users around me , and the emu's atm is just not interesting atm.

also, to make a emu thats faster than a 060 would also mean that games like slamtilt would run in overdrive, this game was designed for 030 and this still doesnt run "PROPERLY" on an amd2600xp under uae, yes i know...games and prods are designed for special optimization etc.., and this is what i meant...

check MAME emu's for what i am saying, there is no prob in emulaing mame on a pc setup theese days, the mzh is wayyyyy high and so is the mem usage , whats the point in emulating anything if u have to make it 500000 times bigger+??+

sorry i dont get it... i will wait for something specifically optimized , and yeah...thats why i am an amiga user and not an pc user...

cheers (sorry for flame...was trying to force out a point)

[lempkee]

kubyx: profesissionalism???

yes its cheaper , ofcourse it is..it wouldnt have standed a chance unless (like they tried)

anyway PEGASOS is DEAD...finito , now u mustwait for pegasos 2 .... will it die??  ..then u must wait for pegasos 3 ? .. etc..


professionalism must NOT be mixed with genesi at all , take a look at grEXX boards , the stopped this production and closed all support for it after less than 1 year in use, if this is professionlism then i dont know, all i know is that i will never put  dime in this commpany again.

is professionlism something that has to be with loyalism or talking/throwing dir in the forums?

i just noticed that the word professionalism has to be changed in the dictionary.

anyway the choice is  yours , yes the pegasos is cheaper (BECAUSE ITS DEAD) , firewire doesnt work , sound ...does it work? etc..

anyway pegasos 2 will come , but do u really thrust em to keep making this hw 2 years still after u had bought it? , i wouldnt..

do you really thrust em that this will be 100% bug free hw? ...

if u do this and alot more, buy it ...
beyond that u get mos1.3 which is fairly nice indeed , and it has a emu/jit wich is faster than a 060 68k setup...
i have alot of friends who have choosed this path , i agree with them in many ways ...i do... but
there is some issues that is bothering me alot when it comes to loyalism and usage of money.

i wont buy something that might die just because the vendor/producer dont want to anymore.

(read my old posts before PEGASOS 1 was released to see that i wrote that back then aswell)

anyway good luck with your choice.

[lempkee]

yeah and why did they release the t-shirt ??

its easy to see what someone is dooing wrong and make them look like a fool, atleast if you have money to waste..

anyway i cant make genesi look worser than they allready do atm.

i am not saying that they wont pick up the speed/pace , that remains to be seed but atm i would rather go for an imac or a pc compared to a pegasos.

 

[lempkee]

kronos: and where is the REAL thing here?

ie to use agA or such.

what you are explaining also doesnt have paula etc , look at the comparrisment with slamtilt, thats an good example.

its easy to say its an amiga for u it seems, as you basically use osfriendly stuff only , i use almost ONLY non osfriendly stuff.

stop blabbering about os tools and such, i was talking about AMIGA and what made it an amiga.

anyway yes i agree that YAM and IB etc are faster on pegasos and on amithlon, but theese are also faster in UAE and on AmigaOne with os4 , sorry i dont see your point....at all.

amigaone and pegasos is just as much NOT and amiga by theese terms, only thing that makes me use the a1 is because of os4 , also amithlon was never an option for me....

[lempkee]

first of all

kronos:  yes this is why i will use my real amiGA 1200 for all my oldskool needs.
and if u read the earlier statements this was some of the things i was arguementing about , someone said that the amithlon etc was 10000 times faster or whatever than a real 060.
i measure it by amiga standards and on amiga software , so in that case special custom games and demos etc.  anyway i hear ya.

van_M. : the firewire issue , when it came around everyone said, BUT THE a1 doesnt have firewire, its crap..so i will get the pegasos.
WHAT they didnt know is, you can ADD any new soundcard to the a1 and u will get firewire from there ,   positions like this is endless.
anyway i am going the OS4 way and i did that very early , i dont regret it and i never will (like when i choosed to stay on amiga all over theese years.)

anyway i have friends who have pegasos's they are still my friends after they got one , but i have told em so many times , dont come to me and whine if 1. os4 wont be for it , 2. if your hw gets faulty and u sent it to genesi for repairs and nothing happend. 3. if you get wrongfully information trough dubious generals in dubious companies with dubious intentions.

sorry but i really dont like genesi , MOS is a nice idea, i like it and it works ...abit unstable atm but its better than anything else for the so called amigappc kernels atm (warpup / powerup and mos) .

also the mos creators are nice people but that doesnt mean that the actual company who make the hw is liable, now does it?  , i bought a grexx from dce in feb 2002 , it was a DOA .. still not got it returned , so please SPARE me from the DCE poltics that they have changed etc.

sloxa:

i agree with you on that , the os can be for seperate systems and the software for all systems, errmmm doesnt that sound ABIT weird?
sorry but i dont see this happen, just look at the time when atari and amiga was battling for the throne.

Anyway i hope that mos will stay on pegasos and aos4 to stay on A1 , and software developers will develop specific versions for each os , as that will show which one is the best atm etc, but that wont happen as the market is too small and will have to release as many conversions of a game to make a profit.

cheers all

pps:sorry for flame...