Sold out for osx and wow

[Waccoon]

I would like to know, how do you 'feel' the responsiveness is with the G3 and OSX?

No clue, but on my Mac mini, when I click on anything, I have to wait for a fully-complete window to pop up.  Sometimes that takes a second, sometimes it takes 10.  A truly responsive computer will give you instant feedback, and fill-in details as thing get processed.

More memory in a mini speeds up the wait, but not the response.  I'd imagine a G3 would choke.

My mini came with OS 10.4, so I haven't tried 10.3.  It's worth pointing out that Tiger is a 12+ GB install.  The first Mac person to call XP "bloatware" will be promptly shot.

Karlos:  It was just a local file repository on the LAN with individual user accounts, none of which had any kind of permission to access stuff outside their home folder. How could it get so corrupted in the first place

I had to rebuild the desktops of my OS 8 newspaper machines about once a week.  I see Apple has made a lot of progress.

spihunter:  Sometimes it takes several seconds for windows to open after I double click on them.

Most of the time, Dock items won't even "bounce" on my machine to let me know the system is doing something.  It just sits there.

nyteschayde:   It will be better but not compared to the CPU. At this point a CPU upgrade will give you more desirable performance.

My mini feels a lot slower than the two G3/266 machines I bought for my school newspaper (the school would not allow me to buy anything but Mac hardware).  Like PC vendors, Apple puts too strong an emphasis on the CPU speed.

TjLaZer:  I also have a PC though, a P4 3.2GHz with Radeon X800 256MB for compatibility.

Whoa.  That's quite a compatibility system.  :-)

[Waccoon]

AntonioX:  I am sure you might have something wrong with your mac mini as I only have a G4 867 with 768mb ram and I dont find tiger slow at all, I also only have the standard GeForce 4 MX gfx card

If it's a problem with the machine, then that's the way Apple built it.  It passes all hardware diagnostics in OSX and off the boot CD.  The hard drive is barely audible, but I can clearly hear it going a mile a minute.  Obviously, there is too little memory even for a "clean" installation.

Funny, when people tell me their PCs are slow, I say the same thing: there is something wrong with the system.  Fresh installs of any OS should never be this slow.

Karlos:  Isn't all that *exactly* the sort of 'typical windows maintnance' type of thing MacOS is supposed to save you from?

I second that.  People who complain about the junk that comes with Windows are usually basing their claim on an OEM system, not a retail copy of Windows.

Vic20Owner:  The security and power of unix/linux/bsd and the convenience of a mac with the compatibility feeling of windows.

I don't like Microsoft any more than anyone else, but given that practically everyone (including licensees like HP) set up their Windows machine with an administrator account with all security disabled, it's no surprise that security is a problem.  Really, UNIX security is terribly old.  It makes little sense to me to make a seperate account to keep bad apps out of the system folder, and give them full access to the Home folder.  The OS is essentially disposable, but a user's data is what's important.

As Macs become more popular, you'll see an increase of security problems on them.

dylansmrjo:  Personally I consider AOS (or on x86: BeOS and OS/2 - the latter one with quite a bit of ideas from AOS) to be the perfect combination of Windows and MacOS, and on top of that: Much, much smaller in regard to use of system resources.

Oh, boy, do I remember OS/2 version 2 (actually, it was CITRIX multiuser, based on OS/2).  I liked it, actually, but that was before I knew anything about UNIX shells.

First time I ever saw a non-GUI OS that came on 5 HD floppy disks.  :-)

minator:  10.4.3 seems to improved things a lot though.

I just got the 10.4.3 update today.  58.6 megs?

I've downloaded 400+ megs of updates since I got my Mac mini, that already had Tiger on it.  Sheesh.

Acill:  Uh, yeah what ever mate. I wouldnt go as far as saying that. OS X is awesome. Its much more stable and can do things as well if not better then Windows and AmigaOS cant even touch it. The only people I know that talk like that are the ones that have never sat down and used OS X longer then the time you can in a store.

Sorry, but I've had mine for over a month, and the more I use it, the less I like it, especially when it comes to file requesters and drag-and-drop.  I'm glad I needed it for testing purposes, so it's not a waste of money purely as an experiment.

Oliver:  Does anyone else think it's a but daft to include EVERY printer driver in a basic installation, just in case you happen to use one of them?

I think including any 3rd party drivers in an OS is pretty stupid, because:

1) Each driver is minimal
2) They are usually old drivers
3) Manufacturers will ask you to install "full" drivers, anyway

I wonder how many people realize how much smaller Windows would be without all the drivers pre-installed?  Maybe instead of bloating thing by copying 200 printer drivers you'll never use, OS developers should make driver managers that are far more intuitive.  MacOS has a snazzy new system updater, but a pretty lousy method of managing system updates you've already installed.

bloodline:  All this kicking of OS X isn't really very constructive.

Things to think about when working on a new OS.  I really, really wish somebody would take care of the 200 printer drivers issue.

bloodline:  As For OS X stability, it's as stable as the most stable Unix I've ever used (AIX and Linux), beats the hell out of Windows and AmigaOS.

I've already had OSX freeze on me while trying to boot up Graphing Calulator in OS9 mode.  After 10 minutes waiting for it to unfreeze, I gave up and pulled the plug.

Also, I can't play any DVDs.  It gives me an error message that, when I looked it up online, translates that my DVD region is wrong.  I bought this thing in a US store.  How can it not be able to play US DVDs?  I did find some info on how to change the DVD region, so I'll try that and see if it works.

billt:   VirtualPC Could be a solution for some

Great.  Now I'll need 2 Gigs of RAM.  ;-)

Doobrey:   The only trouble was my aim was about as good as a Beckham free kick, and I smashed my shin into the desk instead

No offense, but are you sure Windows is the problem, here?  :-)

I should talk.  I used to yell at my A1000 every time it gave me the "neverending requester" telling me my printer wasn't responding.  I could click "cancel" a thousand times and it would never stop trying to print.  I made a serious habit of saving my files before even thinking about printing.

[Waccoon]

It just needs more RAM.  I've talked to other people who have 256MB in their minis, and they all say the same thing.  Keep in mind that my mini came with Tiger, while other early minis came with Panther.

The DVD playback problem appears to be a popular issue, too.  I've still got to try resetting my DVD region.