PowerUP vs WarpOS.. what was it all about again?

[rvo_nl]

sorry. see below.

[rvo_nl]

Hmm it seems classic ppc users are hard to find these days.. or perhaps my description wasnt clear enough. Let me try again:
 
1) Im having problems installing WarpOS. Its not terminating PowerUP properly. I always get the 'Terminate' requester when I try to run a PowerUP program. I do have to install the 'compatible' V7 library, right? Or is this not needed anymore?
 
2) Is there some setting in the PPC menu, or perhaps a later FlashUpdate (I have quite a late one, I think. Dont know how to check) that fixes things?
 
3) Also, I can not user WarpOS in conjunction with the OS3.9 JPEG datatype. Why is this? I thought OS3.9 comes installed with WarpUP by default? Do I need something else, like Ramlibemu from Aminet?
 
4) Perhaps CyberGraphX installs some PowerUP-stuff that I shouldnt want? I read that somewhere.
 
5) Warp3D is not working the way it should either. Wipeout 2097 runs way too slow and its graphics dont look that great (the lensflares especially)
 
6) Can someone tell me the difference between powerpc.library and ppc.library? Is one installed in the Flash of the PPC board?
 
7) What else do I need to know?
 
Its funny. Back in 1998 I had a often-used 'unofficial powerpc support website' (and now that I think of it, also a large mailinglist), but nowadays I dont remember a thing..

[rvo_nl]

fantastic reply cgutjahr. just what I needed. I guess this bppcfix thing came just after my ppc board blew up. I will try this tomorrow and reinstall my amiga (for the 20th time this month) just to be sure. I will then install warpup 5.1 with the v14 library, like youre suggesting.
 
I do have a few more questions for you or someone else to answer..
 
is picture.datatype using powerup or warpup?
could my shaky setup cause the wrong rendering of warp3d software like wipeout?
is cybergraphx using any ppc drivers or libraries?
how can I check what flashupdate Im running?

[rvo_nl]

First of all: BPPCFix kills the ppc.library, i.e. it removes PowerUp from your system. You can't run any PowerUp software anymore (unless you install the PowerUp emulation, but that's another story)

Wait. You mean by using BPPCFix I wont be able to run PowerUP software under emulation either? Sorry, but I really want to do jus that. Is this installed by the WarpUP package and do I now select the compatible version or the lastest version during install? Sorry for not being clear enough.
 

You don't need to be concerned about Flash ROM updates, your system works.

Barely! but it does, true.. However, I recall there was some flashupdate that removed parts of ppc.library allowing for better emulation or something like that. Like I said, its many years ago for me.

[rvo_nl]

kkthx. will try this out tonight.

[rvo_nl]

I thought you were joking about your "20th reinstall this month", but I'm starting to believe you were sincere.

Lol, I think you've missed my previous posts in the hardware topic. Im a returning Amiga user since the beginning of this month. last time I touched an Amiga was in 2001 or something. So pelase forgive me of any mistakes Im making

I bought all the hardware in my signature altogether and am now trying to get everything working together as it should. Its also the first time Im using OS3.9 / OS4.0, so ive still got some catching-up to do. if this wasnt apparent from my post, I think Im doing quite well actually
 
As for the reinstalls, thats okay. I'll keep reinstalling (which takes only 15 minutes in total anyway) until Ive got everything working just the way I want to. And that is the hardest part. its not the easiest hardware/software config to get right.
 
Thanks for your help. Hope to have some time tonight to try out things.

[rvo_nl]

(...)
or you could just follow the step by step instruction above

I will. Obviously a misunderstanding/misread on my side.

[rvo_nl]

Once WipeOut and the OS 3.9 picture datatype (which uses the PowerPC for rescaling pictures, IIRC) work fine, you can install other stuff.

Okay, I installed everything again and this time it worked. Workbench backdrop loaded, wipeout runs, no termination requesters. Thanks!
 
HOWEVER....
 
please compare these 2 pictures:



above is how it looks on my machine, below is a screengrab taken from this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1OkvNlBXgE

on youtube.
 
compare the lensflares.. Im missing something! The lighing looks completely dull in the game aswell.

could be something simple, but I dont know what it is.. any ideas?

[rvo_nl]

Latest Warp3d is what has broken Wipeout. Some changes were made in newer warp3d drivers to make voodoo cards work. Something todo with alpha bending if I remember right. Its sort of emulated/aproximated on the bvision. I imagine the game could have been recompiled/fixed, but the devs just dropped dead after the game was released.

I thought of that but I wouldnt believe it. That is so totally against the philosophy of sotfware updates! Do you know what version of warp3d is the latest that 'worked' ?

[rvo_nl]

@ Piru: As much as I understand your opinion, or those of the GOA/MorphOS team, I just want to get a stable system up & running. There's been so many of these 'battles' in the history of Amiga, its ridicolous. Interesting read, sure! But I just dont want to dive too much into it. Im just a user, its spoiling my fun

[rvo_nl]

There is no such thing as a stable Amiga with PPC All you get is a headache. My advise to you is to get a Mac Mini with MOS or SAM with AOS and leave the classic Amiga as 68k.

that is nonsense. back in the days my ppc setup was extremely stable. its just a lot of effort, but thats part of the fun, strangely enough.

[rvo_nl]

Use MorphOS 1.4.5.

no.

[rvo_nl]

everyone with a PPC equipped classic Amiga, should at least try it (beeing Morphos or AmigaOS4 for classic). There are still plenty around

I have amigaOS4, will install that later.

[rvo_nl]

I dont remember for sure, but I think Warp3D v4.0 is on the game disc. Sure bet that that will work.

Trying out some things now.

[rvo_nl]

the problem is now solved using warp3d 4.0. 4.2 is the one I was using before. thanks all, for your help.