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AmigaOS and The x86 Question
« on: March 31, 2009, 02:30:42 PM »
Interesting article from OS News

AmigaOS and The x86 Question
posted by Thom Holwerda    on Thu 26th Mar 2009 23:34 UTC
Despite the recent emergence of several new ways to actually run AmigaOS 4.0, the supply of machines is still extremely small, and not very future proof. As such, one of the most recurring questions within the Amiga community is why don't they port the darn thing to x86?
The past few days and weeks, Amigaworld.net has been overladen with threads and comments about the x86 question, and it has even driven someone to set up a crude bounty for an x86 version for AmigaOS 4.0. The current x86 thread was started March 19, and already measures 692 posts in 35 pages.

There are several standard replies to the x86 question within the Amiga community. There are people who still see a future in the PowerPC market, even after years and years of utter misery. Sadly, even though the PowerPC platform is far from dead, it simply doesn't play a role any more in the desktop market. Whenever a company announces an AmigaOS4-capable board, we're getting hardware that's 9 years old with an insane price tag.

A number of Amigans even go as far as to say that people shouldn't be able to get AmigaOS4 so easily, and they complain that people who want an x86 variant of the AmigaOS are just looking for a free ride. The word "elitist" doesn't even begin to describe this attitude.

There also also people who claim that moving AmigaOS4 to x86 would mean the end of the Amiga operating system, because it would not be able to compete with other x86 operating systems such as Linux and Windows. This seems like a rather odd reasoning to me: we cannot compete if we run on x86, but we can compete if we run on underpowered, overpriced hardware, with no option for people to try it out before buying? Logic is something that has left much of the Amiga community long ago.

Another, much more valid reply is that there already is an x86 Amiga operating system: AROS. AROS is open source, free, and runs on lots of hardware, and can even have other operating systems as hosts. However, it is 'only' source-compatible with AmigaOS, not binary compatible. This, however, is a moot point in this discussion since a possible x86 version of AmigaOS4 wouldn't be able to run legacy software either.

Sadly, the discussion itself seems to be moot since Hyperion, who develop AmigaOS4 might not be allowed to port AmigaOS4 over in the first place. The company is entangled in a legal battle with Amiga, Inc., a battle no one really understands any more. Still, these legal troubles have not prevented Hyperion from releasing AmigaOS4 for the Pegasos II, which raises the question just how much of a limiting factor the lawsuit actually is.

It's a sad state of affairs, but there's little anyone can do. It's really too bad, because AmigaOS4 certainly has something to offer to many enthusiasts. As it stands now, however, getting AmigaOS4 is simply too much of an investment in a relatively old and limited platform, and especially in the economic climate we're in today, few people will shell out boatloads of money for a toy operating system.


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Re: AmigaOS and The x86 Question
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2009, 06:29:37 PM »
Nobody is going to go out of their way to try an OS that most people think died about the same time the USSR did.  

Reasons not to go out of the way to try::

Abysmal price performance ratio on hardware, which, to top it off you have to back order from Germany.

No support for syncing mobile phones or iPods

No support for Microsoft Office,yeah Word 97, as if someone is going to try to save something as word 97.  We tried to get people to use .doc instead of .docx and got nowhere, you want to tell them not only to save in .doc, but an old version of it to boot?

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I can buy an Acer Aspire One for US$239.  Low power, 120 GB hard drive, wifi, comes with XP (but it's easy enough to load a Linux variant or Leopard (too dam easy actually, took a couple hours after a quick Google search)).  Super Low power consumption.  I can see the Aspire locally at a major chain store like Dick Smiths.  

So why would anyone who is not an raging Amiga fan even think once about SAM at four times the price and slightly more than a third of the power?  Let alone travel to a different city/country to see a demo by a fanboy?




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Re: AmigaOS and The x86 Question
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2009, 06:41:21 PM »
Oh wow, some new American words, it helps to have Google to look things up

The problem with Sam is that it's price to performance ratio is horrible when compared to a PC box.  Yeah, us Amiga Fanboys might buy it but nobody outside of this community would.

Is it possible that most of us like the exclusivity of the price?  The price keeps the outside riff-raff out and the community remains a small devoted cult of believers.  

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Re: AmigaOS and The x86 Question
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2009, 09:20:48 PM »
What if Amiga Inc were judged to be insolvent before the sneaky handoff to KMOS?  Would Hyperion then have all rights to OS 4 including the right to port to X86?
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Re: AmigaOS and The x86 Question
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2009, 04:56:43 PM »
Is Amiga Inc dead yet?  Their chief benefactor gone, two press releases in a year, one of which was for a "tip calculator," no new hardware, no new software, a website where many of the graphics are missing, etc.  Anyone in Seattle care to check out their "headquarters" over the top of a furniture store to see if they are sittll there?

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