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Re: Wither Natami?
« on: August 04, 2008, 02:50:17 PM »
A lot of the Amiga World is like a time capsule, a frozen look into where we were 20 years ago.  Does anyone actually argue about what a PC or Mac is?  No, they have all gone through a series of changes over time but a Mac is still a Mac, whether it is running a beta version of Snow Leopard or OS 7.5.1.  

Nobody in the PC world argues that a P4 isn't a real PC because it's slow and has only one core!  There are still a few people running Window 3.1 and they are still PCs as much as a 4 core Xeon Vista computer.

The trouble with Amiga is that we lost a living Company long ago and have no one to tell us where Amiga is going.  So some folks want to live in the World that existed at Commodore's Death Nell Vigil (TM), whilst others want to modernise the hardware and run the 15 year old OS on modern equipment.  Still others want to take the concept of Amiga and ring it into the 21st Century.  

When the Amiga was released it was cutting edge, it was capable of things that no other personal computer was capable of at that time.  It squandered that lead and the company went belly up.  The Amiga's capabilities in 2008 look oddly nostalgic.  Think about where Amiga would have been today had Commodore not been found floating at the top of the tank!  Amiga's with GBs of RAM, 8 cores, TB hard drives.  It was able to squeeze so much out of so little, what could it have squeezed out of modern equipment?

AmigaDos would have been rewritten many times by now. The original creators made some choices, such as the lack of memory protection, that were necessary back them but now make no sense, they would have fixed them and built a new OS.  It probably would have had to run the old stuff through a Classic system like the Macs used to have.  But new software would have arisen and the old games updated to run in the new system.  

For a decade and a half the Amiga has been leaderless, slowly losing it's user base.  WHy do we need to tear at each other?  We're all that's left, maybe a few thousand scattered across the globe.  We have different visions, different ideas  We disagree on what we want, but we don't disagree on what we don't want.  We don't want the Amiga relegated to history.

 
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Re: Wither Natami?
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2008, 12:42:29 AM »
The idea to build a new Amiga on top of QNX was a great idea, unfortunately it fell by the wayside.  QNX is a small efficient micro kernel, unix like and very stable.  QNX's economy of scale matched the Amiga philosophy perfectly.  Sadly the project died over a lack of leadership from you know who...


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Re: Wither Natami?
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2008, 03:34:00 AM »
Yeah, I'm curious too.  It seems to me that OS X is about as parallel as you can get.  I use multiple cores 8 in two separate units, I borrow processing from other computers in my house.  Everything just works.  I fail to see how AmigaOS could take advantage of any of this.
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Re: Wither Natami?
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2008, 05:09:01 AM »
So let me get this straight, a group of people that can't even break simple boot code to get AmigaDos 4 up and running on a Mac-Mini are now going to redesign AROS around a complex memory management model?

Part of the problem is Tripos itself, even freed of BCPL code it's still a bit of a mess.

The only possible solution is to take Zune and the WOrkbench clone that has been built in AROS and get it to work on top of a QNX microkernel and run classic apps in the QNX version of UAE.  Even then it's probably too late, but it might be worth a shot.  A small Posix compliant OS with an interesting and small GUI might just turn a few heads.

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Re: Wither Natami?
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2008, 05:40:09 AM »
But you have to look at the competition Linux faced when Linus started the project.  Linux has 17 years of continuous development by thousands of programmers.  OS X has about a decade in development, also with thousands of developers.  MS Windows over two decades and again thousands of programmers.  

What you are talking about is starting with a model T make a new model T with fuel cell technology, a GPS guidance system and crash proof and do it with a dozen people, oh and the model T still has to use the same gearbox...

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I guess it is a good thing that "the_leander" was not a room-mate of Linus Torvalds a few years back!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


No kidding. But then, everyone that embarks on such a project is told that it's "unfeasible" and that they are "crazy." In many cases they are. It's the ones that do their homework, spot an opportunity/technique that others have missed, and ignore the nay-sayers that succeed.

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