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A500 for the 21th century
« on: September 30, 2004, 02:04:46 PM »
How would you do it?
A1 or Peg2 is all very nice but they doesn´t have a chance to reach the sales of the A500(+).
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Re: A500 for the 21th century
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2004, 12:53:15 AM »
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Well said.

But as Dan is a defender of the faith there are more like him:

http://www.cybernetman.com/

They just build a PC in A500 concept!

I wanted to say that is just a crap pc by reflex but then I tought about it and there is actually uses for it.
and the Imac G5 is something similar.

But both are overpowered(and heated :-)) for the actual job they will be doing.
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Re: A500 for the 21th century
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2004, 12:58:27 AM »
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Project Reality looks promising, but yes the cheap PC is the closest in terms of 'computing for the masses' ... :-?

could be nice but I was after marketshare and usage rather than formfactor.
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Re: A500 for the 21th century
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2004, 01:07:20 AM »
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Dan wrote:
How would you do it?
A1 or Peg2 is all very nice but they doesn´t have a chance to reach the sales of the A500(+).


The Whole concept of the A500 is long gone. The market which it filled has been split three ways:

1. Low End "Multimedia" PC's

There is no DPaint on pc, no Protracker and the demoscene seems to be dead. Maybe the HTPC-community they seem to have a similar creativity.(and the would have loved "Say")
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2. Games Consoles

Yes thats how it all started wasn´t it?
Thats lost forever today people buy $$$$-PCs just to play the latest Wolfenstein-clone with improved graphics.
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3. Mobile Computing (Laptops/PDA's)

That´s rather a new market isn´t it? Did hardly exist back then. Ok 386s with crap-lcd abd 3,5"floppy but nobody could afford them.

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(Honestly, the Cheap PC's most closely match the A500 market)
There is no going back.

What, electrical typewriter/wordprocessor and web-surf-tincan.

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Re: A500 for the 21th century
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2004, 01:46:49 AM »
To qoute someone: "I have a plan."

Make A500 the "My first computer" use a pc104-board(pc104+ or pci104 or whatever the pci compatible version is called) and massproduce it.
Market it in different sectors.
1. at preeschool kids.
2.at school kids
3. as a industrial solution
4. as a rugged mp3/pocketvideoplayer
5. as a rugged pda/data-entry-in-the-field device
6.as a small and simple "just plug it in"-server for print/storage-server
7. with pci-expansion as a STB
8.with pci-expansion as a hometheater-pc

Thr 1.) is the most important because if we could get the kids used to our userinterface then they would prefer that in the future. Remmember how we all started with games and then DPaint and Say on the A500. Later we started to really use the WB for example to paint, copy a floppy and listen to a MOD-file at the same time. :-)

Also the 0 to 3-year old test is superior to the testing in the industrial testing, they neither chew on the computers or puke on them:lol: nor do they use them as a hammer.

Everybody knows that "digital" and "computer" means fragile and prone to breaking, rigth?
Time to prove them wrong!
And just think about the adverts.
And making a product that doesn´t fall apart just because you look at it to hard would make a company standout from the rest in the computer industry.

Oh and it should be BLACK silver/metallic is equal to crap these days!
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Re: A500 for the 21th century
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2004, 11:01:12 AM »
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I wanted to say that is just a crap pc by reflex but then I tought about it and there is actually uses for it.
and the Imac G5 is something similar.

But both are overpowered(and heated :-)) for the actual job they will be doing.


WTH???
I got my G5 iMac last week, it's been on non stop for 4 days and is still VERY cool to the touch!

The G5 runs as cool as it looks, and YES- it should of been an Amiga....
HMMMPPPHHH!

I meant that it was overpowered and therefor needed more cooling than necessary for simple terminal/point of sale-jobs.
Im sure that power is useful for other stuff though.
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Re: A500 for the 21th century
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2004, 11:57:54 PM »
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@whabang:
Sounds alot like that whole Digital Convergence (remember that buzzword?) thing we heard so much about a few years back. Unfortunately not a single consumer seems to have grasped that  he should have his house full of compatible/inter-dependant appliances by now :-).


"Digital Convergence" my foot, back in the days you just brought the floppy with you because all your friends had amigas.
What the users really want is to have files from their camera/mp3-players memorycards and then just insert them into their computer and be able to save to HD, edit ,print, view or play the files.
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Re: A500 for the 21th century
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2004, 12:49:52 AM »
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whabang wrote:
Lysande, Sickan, lysande! :-D

We need to move away from the thought of the computer as a big, begie box, that can only be used by nerds.
If a three year-old can use it, then it's usable by the majority of people.

The key is to target new customers early!:lol:
And also making the thing rugged, rugged computers is expensive because of the small production runs on the other hand toys are cheap because........
And if it costs $200 and is relatively rugged you are more likely to bring your wristwatch/pda/mp3player with you, as a farmer I should know.Markets
1. at preeschool kids.
2.at school kids
4. as a rugged mp3/pocketvideoplayer
5. as a rugged pda/data-entry-in-the-field device
can use the same case for the card that would help keeping cost down.

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This is where AmigaDE/Java/Insert-your-favourite-VM-here come in pretty handy: You would like one common UI for everything, though all the components are specialised for their specific applications.

We had a common UI in the olddays of C64 and A500, they key is to place the product in every home. But ofcourse Java should be available.
I´m suprised that there isn´t execute-in-place Java that would mean truly portable. Is Intent/TAO execute-in-place?
Like having a USBstick with the VMs(one for Win, one for MacOS,Linux,BSD etc) and your programs/data and when you use another computer you just start another VM.
That would be better than Linux on a stick because hardwaredrivers would be provided by the OS.

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Bluetooth would be excellent for connecting it all.

Yep, in terms of hardware think top off the line current pda. Bluetooth,WLAN, USB2.0 host,1-4 serialports, geekport like Bebox, Ir, CF,SDIO, Graphics capable of 800x600 24bit video out playing mpeg2,
Sounds advanced today but in 2 years or so it will be cheap.
Also keep making the same model for several years like with A500 would reduce price.

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In the end, you could use your PDA to control the stereo, the DVD, and the TV.

I dont think anybody would want this bigger rougher pda as a remote. But sure you could. It would be difficult to shrink smaller than 10x10cm with a PC104+ compatible board.http://www.pc104.org/technology/plus_info.html
Maybe by leaving out the old PC104 connector? But it would still have lots circuitry of so I dont think it cold be shrinked to smaller size
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In the middle of everything, we'd have a CDTV-like device to control it all. It wouldn't have to be connected to a monitor or so, you'd just control it via VNC.

There is no need to "control it all" everypart is independent, a Bluetooth trackball/remote would be enough. But you could use the STB as a fileserver.
As for control it should be on the pda because thats where you have your schedule. Rather it should be the pda that controls the other things.
Say for example that in the morning the pda downloads the news from the home wlan. On the train to work you notice theres a tv-program that you want to see tonight, you select a reminder for it from a menu. Later you get a phonecall from someone who wants to meet you at the same time, when you put that meeting in the scheduler then the pda automatically tells the STB to record the tv-program.
The pda commands the phone via Bluetooth to send a SMS to your STB/homecomputer.
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Re: A500 for the 21th century (XBOX)
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2004, 09:41:44 AM »
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The A500 was cheap(ish), played games as easy as inserting the disk, and could plug straight into a TV/stereo.

The AmigaOne seems to be an ordinary PC with motorolla instead of intel (a good thing, but it's still a PC). No custom hardware? This is one thing that makes classic amiga so 'classic'. Is WB4.0 going to be any more than LINUX-XWINDOWS with amigalike icons and bundled linux drivers?

I AM NOT GOING TO BUY A ONE OF THESE. NOT FOR >$1K!


Well, the mini-itx modding guys seems to be closest to the orginal amiga in spirit. Cheap hardware, connect to tv, runs lots of emulators for games, build their own hardware and make their own programs.
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Re: A500 for the 21th century (XBOX)
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2004, 09:47:33 AM »
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 Its gotta be the thinking man's XBox2.

I see a flaw already!:lol:
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