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Well I got my e-mail this morning, and checked it out. There's some good stuff on AmigaInput written by Steffen Haeuser, another is article by one of the AmigaDE devlopers about what he's working on, and, yes, a bunch of general stuff on where AmigaOS is going, post 4.0.

I know people are ticked-off that they don't have OS4 by now, but I think if you take Allen's speech at the Amiga show last week, you can see the reason things are taking so long- money. Given the state of things, I think they've done a decent job.

[zee4]

Wayne,

First of all, let me say thank you for keeping Amiga.org going all these years, when people ask me for sites for info on the Amiga, I tend to mention your's, sometimes before Amiga Inc. own site.

Though I'm not quite sure where you're going with:
"though I firmly believe their continued existence will eventually be the death of this community. "

If I follow that logic, it seems like we should, either, quite while we're ahead and become Linux-heads (that's basically where I'm drifting) or start signing up for Retro-computer shows and hanging our with the 8-bit Atari crowd telling stories about how we would have done things if we'd been running Commodore or ogaling AAA specs.

At some point,  you have to move on. Me, I went with AmigaDE becasue it chance (maybe a slim one) to make sure PDAs don't turn out as boring as desktops did. Now as far as desktops go, I like what they're talking about, can they do it? I don't know, but I do know that at least they are thinking about more than cloning the WindowsXP interface. Will they do it? Maybe, but,  then again I look over at what Bill Buck and the ex-Phase5 guys are talking about and it's not much new either.  

At some point, you have to pick at a few long-shots, you might as well go with one that is looking forward and not sideways.

Zolatn

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A real company with professional management could still come out with a real platform. DE isn't it. AmigaOS4 isn't it, unless it comes with real commercial-level applications.

I see what you mean, I guess it still comes back down to not having a proper OS to tempt new developers with.

All the more reason for them to get OS4 done ASAP. I think we both know how tight money for tech start-ups is, especially ones trying to introduce "new" OSs.

Zoltan

[zee4]

So where it the proof? Tell me one thing: how does a company who just ripped $50000 from loyal amigans, doesn't manage to print a t-shirt? Well, there is only one anwser ofcourse, the $50000 is gone.

@z5:
Actually there was a bit over a thousand coupons sold, so it's more than that.

Though untill the AmigaOne/OS4 starts shipping you can't really say you where (assuming you invested) ripped-off.

Zoltan
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There is a growing trend however in the community to polarize into the "you're either with me, or against me" crowd which leaves no room for the MAJORITY of Amiga community members who're already using up-to-date systems and are simply curious to see what's coming next. Those are the people who will make or break the Amiga, not the Zealots.

Sounds kind of certain politician

I agree though, It's one of things that bugs me about what happened to the Amiga community, probably only in the last few years with Gateway.  Reading about them (Gateway) becoming a joke in the industry does does give me a smile still- they deserve it.

I do think that a lot of this comes from being stuck past, I just hope that the middle-60% can turn the community around once there is something new to talk about.

I mean, if you think about it, if anyone here is using an Amiga still we're talking about some pretty ancient stuff; I was taking apart a P2 last week and relized that for all the dust and odd-ball parts in there, this P2 was newer than my then-top-of-the-line A1200HD/030.

We really need some new hardware guys!

[zee4]

I agree regarding money. ... In some respects however, I don't know that I buy it, because BeOS was on one hell of a good track, even after the money was gone.

From what I understand, the work involved in moving a 80's operating system, largely optimized in 680x0 assembler and relying on a bunch of custom chips, to whole new processor family and architecture, while updating, adding new features and still trying top be backwards compatable shouldn't be underestimated.

Basically they're almost building a new OS, abet they do a pattern to follow and maybe some of of the existing stuff can be used, but not much. I don't think this can be compared to OS3.1-3.5 or OS3.5-3.9 or even the improvments made to BeOS in it's last years.

In regards to DE, I think it *had* potential, but too bad REBOL beat them to it and has a much larger potential to move ahead on several platforms.

I think it's a bit early to write off a product that hasn't been finished yet.