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Re: New amigan
« on: August 21, 2006, 03:05:25 AM »
 As a fairly longtime Amiga(and everything else) owner and sporadic user let me welcome you to HOBBY computing. The Amiga  is a computer that WAS ahead of its competition at various times but poor  company management doomed it to a footnote in computer history.Sales were tiny compared to Playstation and other video game unit. Yes 5 million or so Amigas were sold;in contrast to 15 million Commodore 64s and 128s.By the way the C128 is another computer whose potential was never really utilized by most programmers or users. There are still people enjoying those old computers .
 
Every obsolete computer will still run all the softaware it did before and as well;it just won't run the NEW software as well,if at all.

 Keep in mind that IBM compatible computers are in nearly every business,home,school, and government office, and 50 million new units a year is likely the figure.

 I just realized that I've recently spent way too much in a bout of nostaglia for Amiga stuff.

 I am of the opinion that, unless Amiga OS4 can be licensed and released as an alternate OS for existing IBM-compatibles and Macs, Amiga user are most similar to antique car enthusiastists,steam engine fans, and others.That is,of passing interest as a harmless hobby but sort of "odd".

 In its time the Amiga propelled a lot of video which the public enjoyed but neither knew nor cared on which computer ithat video was produced.The classic Amiga Toaster is about to become less relevant with the forced transition to new digital TV standards so the main niche is fading fast.

 You may develop fine skill at programming the Am,iga ,and enjoy it. just don't expect the Amiga to become a blip on the radar screen of the real world.
 

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Re: New amigan
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2006, 11:45:45 PM »
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Rabbi wrote:
Get yourself Breadbox Ensemble for that 486 and remove that Windoze 3.1.  Breadbox Ensemble is a 16 bit GUI that just needs M$-DOS to run on top of.  It's actually the latest incarnation of GEOS/New Deal.  You can check it out at:

http://www.breadbox.com/ensemble/geocats.asp?category=Ease-of-Use


 Ah ha!
  I used PC-Geos on my Emerson 286/12.5 with 20m hd and 8 m ram, and it was great. Got the demo version for $9.95 in some computer store around 1992. Months ago found/bought several copies of full GEOS for use on older PC but discovered ubuntu linux so GEOS still in the box.

  Not many people are going to spend $99.95 on the breadbox to use an old PC when $299 will buy a new computer with lots more ram,hard-drive,modem,networking,colors and latest Windows.In fact,it would be a foolish purchase! This is exactly why PC-GEOS didn't take off 15 yearsago,because then as now,the program cost too much compared to a new bundled system. And the people who are hanging onto old PC computers are likely either too poor or disinterested to know about breadbox or spend the money.
 
 Ensemble is a great piece of software and has been since it was started ,it was originally(still is?) written in machine language so it is fast.

 I think if breadbox would/could price it at $29.99 for individuals and maybe $10 a seat for corporations and schools THEN it would really take off. You need to get a critical mas of users .

  On a jarring note Amigabasic was originally a Microsoft product :boohoo:
 

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Re: New amigan
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2006, 12:02:10 AM »
 And for really cheap computers of the IBM-PC and Mac variety try Goodwill,Salvation Army,independent thrift sores,"Trading Post" type classified newspapers and amateur radio "hamfests"."Hams"  love the newest electric toys and have been on the leading edge of computing even before gamers.
 You ought to find Pentium 2 and 3 for very little ,with 486 free for the taking. Private sellers often don't erase the OS as do the thrift stores and school sellers.
  Personal examples of cheap "mainstream" computers from the mentioned sources

  HP 550mhz P3 with Win98/hd/128ram $45
  p2 generic,no OS $20
   iMac 333 hd/128ram /no OS $40
   P1 133 laptop free
   G3 450 B/W tower hd/mem no OS$20
   P1 166 Win 95 $15
   Microsoft optical mice $4 each
  PS/2 mice 50cents
   memory from 25 cents a simm to $12.50 for 256meg sdram.

  Plenty of PC/Mac stuff gets thrown away every day,and can be had for the thrifty computer user.

   Only old AMIGA hardware holds its dollar value!