ETA for Elbox Dragon?

[Donar]

derringer3 wrote:
Dragon is a dead end technology. It has codfire cpu which had been a good solution in the mid/late '90, when the os is not ported to ppc. (AFAIK coldfire is not ppc it's similar to 68k) But now when os4 is out(?), it is for nothing.

Most apps still are 68k, OS 3.9 is too and i haven't seen AMIGA OS 4.0 on shelves yet. If the Dragon runs 68k software good (even if it's run under the CF68k lib) it's ok for me... if you need improvements for 3.9 look for AfA OS.

[Donar]

alexh wrote:
You are not missing anything... but they also released benchmarks which put it below a 50MHz 68060 when running code which has lots of emulated instructions.

Could you please point me to the Benchmarks,  as i couldn't find them anywhere? The Atari guys have their TOS running on a Coldfire developer Board Klick Me in the lower half you see that "Raw Power" is something equivalent to a CT60@100 MHz if i don't get it wrong... The Coldfire is a 25€ Part the 68060 a 300€ and has to be overclocked 100% to get at 100MHz. Sounds not too bad for me. Unfortunately i don't know how likely it is in real world terms that the Coldfire has: "To do lot's of emulated instructions".

derringer3 wrote:
@donar: I still using os3.9, and i love it, but in my amiga there  is a powerful cpu wich most of the time is sleeping or if it used it has got some "content switching orgy with 68k cpu".?

Ok, so using only a "fast" coldfire gets rid of both problems easily. It will be used all the time, and by all Code, no context switches back and forth. Speed improvements through native software possible.

derringer3 wrote:
So there is a good os4 only one little step from my amiga. (Someone just relase it please)  So why on earth buy a coldfire which is unusable with os 4?

Sorry i _somehow_ have a bad feeling that the step is not so little (Bad gut feeeling only, sorry no evidence). Old apps will stay 68k, so they have to be emulated. New Apps could be compiled for Coldfire like they could for PPC.

I really don't know about AInc, they (kind of) left the market (only selling Mobile games), stating that "some other company" uses their name to write an OS (AOS4.0) now coming back talking about OS5.0. :-?

Maybe it's better to take 3.9 improve it through AROS/AfA OS and maybe replace it at some time with it? Maybe this next morning AOS 4.0 gets released with fast inexpensive hardware and i'm totally wrong... I really don't know.

Bye

 

[Donar]

bubba wrote:
I've had a very hard time trying to buy an 060 card.  It's shocking to have to pay $400 for a 10 year old piece of hardware that could die at any moment.

Try to find a complete AMIGA, rip out the 060 card, sell the rest. Also look in ebay for the complete text, not only the head line when doing a search. Sometimes people forget to mention the most precious parts in the head line. Bad for them, good for you.  :-D

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[Donar]

If the only thing they offered after many years of developing is a 060 card, then why not licensing blizzard '060 and sell it?

You always get the same things to hear, if you ask this: Critical parts are no more available, or are available but not conform to ROHS and can not be used in new equipment and then sold in the EU. So you had to re design the whole thing....

Even if they get a 68060 for 150€ instead of 300€ the product will be 125€ more expensive to produce than say a Coldfire card...assuming all parts for the card cost the same except the processor.

Anyway when dragon first appeared ddr 266Mhz and ati 9200/9700 etc was about ok technology, but now day by day these parts will be the parts of some computer museum.

As all AMIGA Equipment is, including the AmigaOne. But you are right we can just not keep up with the computer industry in general. Even if we had PCIexpress and Radeon 1950XT we had no 3D Drivers for it. :-(

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