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Re: What is your main OS besides the Amiga OSes and why?
« on: November 08, 2014, 11:35:42 PM »
My main systems are currently

Mac OS X 10.9.x Mavericks and GNU(Step)/Linux. Though with the latest progress I made on Anima (my very own OS, mainly inspired by Mac OS X, NEXTStep and Amiga OS), I might soon run that one as my new main OS :)

Almost done with the login manager (both back- and frontend. Though the former uses experimental, interpreted code. Will later replace this with fully compiled and properly audited code).

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EDIT: That one is from my GNUStep based Linux distro.

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Re: What is your main OS besides the Amiga OSes and why?
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2014, 12:11:56 AM »
@yssing

Are credit card terminals in Denmark running Windows?
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Re: What is your main OS besides the Amiga OSes and why?
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2014, 02:01:46 AM »
@yssing

Ah. Ok. Was really shocked, for a second.
I guess I can take Denmark off my list of "countries I'd never pay with a credit card in".

@Linde

Unless the resulting UI is either really simple (i. e. something one would be able to create in zenity and the likes) or the company/developer in question has a really good, prototype based model, putting UIs together in a graphical fashion is still considerably more straightforward.

I'm really envious of Apple's Cocoa framework. It seems to work quite well in regards to quickly creating a usable graphical user interface.
In contrast, Junior (one of the two frameworks of my Anima OS) in its current form requires people to import prototypes or manually create a new form. Something that can be quite cumbersome.
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Re: What is your main OS besides the Amiga OSes and why?
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2014, 06:11:18 PM »
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Windows is used for credit card payments in all countries. Linux too and look how often that gets hacked.


Actual credit card terminals and backbones don't use Windows.
Basically the whole banking sector concentrates around certified Unix solutions.

There are major requirements when it comes to banking.

You entering your credit card info on Amazon is not the same as a server processing and routing your personal data.
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Re: What is your main OS besides the Amiga OSes and why?
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2014, 10:36:48 PM »
@psxphill
Windows is, quite undeniably, sluggish.
Indexing is way more read intensive than it should be, some things just take forever to appear and killing a process/task seldom works on the first try.

Even Microsoft kernel devs themselves admit that they're somewhat behind other operating systems.

The Windows NT kernel is really progressing at a snails pace, compared to Apple's XNU, the Linux kernel and BSD.

Work outside the kernel isn't any better either. One literally can't go through the day without reading news on GNU/Linux or one of the BSDs. The same cannot be said about Windows.

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Weren't people buying apple intel laptops and installing Windows because it was really fast hardware but MacOS ran slower than Windows?

Actually, people are buying Apple hardware because it's the most compatible (i. e. they don't need to manually install as many drivers).
As far as performance is concerned. That's actually quite a bit of a myth. The agency publishing those performance benchmarks later admitted that they compared a clean slate Windows installation on the Macbook to HP/Toshiba laptops running all the pre-installed bloatware.

In hindsight, earlier (pre-2013) models could actually perform worse under Windows, since they all rely on an earlier version of Bootcamp that didn't support EFI natively, thus relying on HDD performance inhibiting Bios emulation. AFAIK, the Macbook Air 2013 was the first one to include an UEFI 2.0 compliant boot loader that could boot into UEFI Windows natively.
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Re: What is your main OS besides the Amiga OSes and why?
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2014, 11:20:43 PM »
@TeamBlackFox

Just wondering. Do you know any specific part of the pre-installed Mac OS X userland that is GNU?

One would think Apple would be smart enough to avoid GNU. Not just because it's bloatware but also because of its license.
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Re: What is your main OS besides the Amiga OSes and why?
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2014, 11:38:40 PM »
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Well I can honestly I have no problems when using windows it runs very quick and I get no slow down what so ever, as long as you have decent software to help maintain the OS you are good to go.


Didn't you say before that Windows was the only "modern" OS you were using?
Don't get me wrong, but I think you're lacking experience with another OS to truly be aware of what people consider "quick".

That aside, other OS' run considerably better on much less recent hardware.

My 14 year old office laptop running GNUStep is as snappy as my colleague's 1 year old Windows 8.1 laptop with a Samsung SSD and 32 times the RAM.
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Re: What is your main OS besides the Amiga OSes and why?
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2014, 11:59:32 PM »
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Yeah bash and binutils are from GNU.

Oh. Right. Been using zsh for so long, I completely forgot about bash. ^^
binutils seems to be a wild mixture of licenses. ld is actually BSD derived and strip seems to be reimplemented by Apple. as is definitely GNU.
Didn't even realize Mac OS X had so much GNU under the hood. I might consider switching to another, GNU free OS now. Lol.
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Re: What is your main OS besides the Amiga OSes and why?
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2014, 03:16:54 PM »
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Unfortunately Windows 8.1 is my main machine, simple because of certain work requirements and gaming, however since odyssey arrived on OS4 and it can play Youtube and Google Doc and is a lot more stable its nice that I can more and more find that my computing needs can be fulfilled by Amiga. Just wish it was a bit quicker at certain tasks.



Linux I kinda try to make the move but agian just some certain little areas in support of both gaming and work have provented me from waving good bye to the big MS , I hope there will be a day when I can.


Why not make a list of those things?

I'm sure someone (perhaps even me ;) ) would be willing to work on it.
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Re: What is your main OS besides the Amiga OSes and why?
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2014, 08:18:47 PM »
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Sure, Linux & BSD are attention whores who don't have to worry about being backward compatible with 20 year old LOB apps.
 
 They get an easy ride, which you can go along with. You shouldn't be naïve to think that there is anything inherently better about how they are developed.


Lol. BS.

1. GNU/Linux, BSD and the likes are no less compatible with old software than Windows. In fact, they are actually more compatible in some areas, since they don't have to rely on deprecated subsystem

(re)implementations and the likes. POSIX software is, in most cases, rather easy to "upgrade". Old Windows software might miss certain irreplacable DDLs or depend on pre-NT kernel functionality that isn't part of the MS Dos subsystem. It's also worth noting that 16 bit software won't run on a modern 64 bit OS (not without emulation), so 20+ year old software might not run at all.

2. GNU/Linux and BSD are both developed by a multinational team of volunteers as well as big corporations. So of course the way they're built is more efficient and generally more productive than the way Windows is implemented. There's much more user and developer input between releases and due to the sheer amount of new developers joining every year, stuff simply gets done much faster.  

It's plain, unadulterated Capitalism (not Communism, as Stalinist Microsoft once claimed).

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You can have it quickly, good or cheap. Pick two.


With pleasure. Picking quick and good, since I don't exactly consider my *nix related work cheap. ;)
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