Wanta a laugh? As-Is 64C system for $2,000.

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TjLaZer wrote:
And the rest is mint in box, so $500  is about right for a true collector.

Collectors ruin things for those of us who want to buy reasonably priced equipment to USE, not put in a bleeping "museum."

I've had people argue about the price of items in the past.  Saying "well, I bought it for $x" or "it's worth $y".  BS - first off, I don't care what you bought it for... if it's yellow, has been exposed to the elements, doesn't have its accessories, etc., it's not worth what you paid for.  Secondly, it's only worth what someone will pay for it!

So, if someone pays $2000 for the 64C, it was worth it to them.  Kinda like the Toaster/Flyer boogiegail had up... it ended at $151, under the reserve.  Right now, it's worth $151, unless it gets relisted and possibly sold for more.

There's a guy out in the Crestview (FL) flea market with 22 ColecoVision carts.  Two years ago I offered him $25 for the lot... he says to me "well, I can't take less than $2.50 each, they were my own personal collection and I bought them all brand new."  Ummmm 20 years old, no books, no cases, peeling labels, and sitting in this open-air flea market for how long?  To this day, I believe all 22 are still sitting there.  To him, they're worth more sitting there waiting for someone who will give him $2.50 each, but until then they're worthless to anyone.

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pierre wrote:
and no the collectors are not what messing things up... it happens to be whats keeping things alive... seriously 20 years after that fact we are all "collecting".  Sometimes they drive the price up for something you want, thats good for the vendor and honestly it does not happen every day, most amiga people are still cheap...

I hold a differing opinion on this.  I believe that it US, the users who hold on to whatever it is about the computers that compels us, on which collectors benefit.  Not the other way around.  Were it not for people like us, much of the equipment would have been trashed a long time ago, thus driving the "value" up even more.

So, regardless of whether we keep or toss, the collectors benefit on our actions.

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pierre wrote:
It almost by definition, if you are on amiga.org and look around eBay for amiga gear we are collectors.

I collect Amiga and C64 equipment as much as I collect PC equipment.  I USE this equipment either in my own personal day-to-day, or to teach -- I find that these modern "technology" classes teach nothing about the logic of the system, rather they teach applications.

Mind you, a number of these types wind up being the bread-and-butter of my business (you know, the ones who can lay out a complicated Excel spreadsheet, but have to have "double-click" explained to them (true story),) but I would happily pick another career if these types were replaced with more saavy, knowledgeable, and intuitive types.

I agree that the start bid was not a bad price, though higher than I would need to pay, mostly because I already have a horde of a lot of that equipment so spares aren't an issue for me.  (Damn, computers get old!)  I've paid some stupid prices for things I need, and will probably pay stupid prices again.

In the end, I'm being a pedantic {bleep}, which may turn on me.  A collection is something "to be seen, studied, or kept together."  I would say that I definitely study these machines and encourage others to study them, ergo they are to be seen as well.

So, I should say that I do not collect for monetary value.  I collect for use and and practicality, the value of which are completely subjective.

And stay away from stuff I need or want, and we won't have any problems in these here auctions  :-D

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Look, I've tried to be nice. I am very ill and I don't have the time nor the energy to keep reading and replying to your messages. If you don't like the price, fine, don't bid on it. It is worth what I am asking for it. Go away, and leave me alone.
rich

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Excellent!

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TjLaZer wrote:

I understand your frustration but if you want to buy a Commodore 64 to USE and not "Collect"  please consider buying a nice used one that is cheaper, rather than whine about the high priced Mint in boxed ones!

Actually, I think you missed my frustration.  Read what I said about collecting, and you might get a better picture.  I am not after mint-condition items.  In fact, if this stuff truly is mint -- which in a openned box, it is not -- then it's probably worth its weight in gold.

What I am complaining about is equipment that has been used or abused every day of its life with outrageous asking prices.  I have bunch of C= equipment which I would never think to flog on eBay for some of the prices which I have had to fight over and eventually pass up.

One thing I have noticed, though, is that this type of buying/selling comes in waves.  Sometimes you can't give this stuff away!  I bide my time when it comes to buying Amiga parts, and really any computer parts for that matter.  I have gotten some sweet deals on game carts and computers, but it took time and patience.  I get upitty when I watch the same people bid up cheap stuff to astronomic heights just so they can add it to their collection.  It's a waste, honestly.  Especially since when the old codger croaks his family will just throw the stuff in the bin.

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Roger that.  I admit to having found excellent deals.  I just picked up an NTSC A500+ (rev 8 mobo, been looking for this for a long time) for under $50, and a 600 with 150MB hard drive for $75 (probably a little steep, but other than a flakey floppy -- of which I have spares -- it's in pretty good shape.)  Not bad deals, I think.  Good luck on the 3000 purchase.  I've never touched one, myself, but like the idea of the system.

Olecranon wrote:
Looks like someone took the bite on that A2000 for $500.  I guess some of you guys were right.  It was worth $500 to someone, and I find that troubling.  :crazy:

I've had a couple of A2000 '040 accelerators go for around $200.  I can't remember what I paid for my Blizzard 2060, but it was probably a little over or around the same amount.  So, that would mean that the 2000 itself (in the case of the $500 system) would be selling for $300.  I wouldn't pay that, but to be fair, as someone else stated, it's in really good condition and has a really good '060 card.  If I didn't have so much Amiga equipment already, it might be worth it to me!

Reminds me, I bought my first A500 (rev 5 mobo) with 1.3, no hard drive, and a 4MB BaseBoard for $500 back in 1993.  I bought the Amiga specifically because I wanted Shadow of the Beast, only I didn't get it with the system... and instead I got hooked on Amiga as a computer

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@TJ

Yuppers. :pint: