AROS vs traditional Amiga vs SAM

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dammy wrote:

In terms of "Real" Amiga = custom hardware & official OS, the SAM is the way to go

Except that SAM440, although a good mobo, is neither custom nor official.

Dammy

However, it is officially supported by Amiga OS 4.1 (with Hyperion Entertainment writing the drivers, etc.) and is being sold as an Amiga. This whole "it's not an Amiga" routine is getting boring.

Hans

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Phantom wrote:
Dammy is right. SAM is not Amiga. If you remove the AmigaOS, there is nothing inside that reminds Amiga.

Maybe ACube should put "Amiga" on the silkscreen somewhere on the next run so that you have your reminder.

Hans

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dammy wrote:

However, it is officially supported by Amiga OS 4.1 (with Hyperion Entertainment writing the drivers, etc.) and is being sold as an Amiga. This whole "it's not an Amiga" routine is getting boring.

If it bores you, don't read my posts.

Your posts happen to be in threads that I read; that makes it rather hard to avoid reading them. What's annoying is that every one of these threads about the SAM 440 and Amiga OS 4.1 ends up with the "it's not an Amiga" discussion. As an AROS supported I know that it suits you to say this, but why not leave Amiga OS 4.1 and the SAM 440 to people that actually have an interest in the system.

It's less of an Amiga then my x86 running AF since AF is directly licensed by AI. Unlike the past POS hardware that AI/Eyetech badged as an Amiga, SAM440 is decent hardware but that alone does not make it an Amiga.  Now after tomorrow, if AI recognizes the SAM440 as AmigaTwo, then it's all fine but today, it is not recognized by those who have the power to call it an "Amiga."

That depends on your view of the lawsuit and the licensing agreement. The judge has allowed Hyperion to continue as if the original agreement was in place and it is legally questionable whether Amiga Inc. have any say over Amiga OS at all.

Now I could call it an Linux Box or AROS Box since those two OSs were out before OS4 was for SAM440.

And here we are back right where you started in a different thread several weeks ago. It is officially supported by Amiga OS 4.1 and it's being marketed as an Amiga OS 4.1 machine; according to the wording of the original licensing agreement, this actually makes it "target PPC" hardware.

Hans

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dammy wrote:
Even if I was still a AROS supporter, what possible difference could it make to me about what OS SAM440 is running since it runs AROS as well? Would I be losing out on a sale? Would I be losing out on any money? So I'm not sure what your trying to prove.

The more Amiga enthusiasts switch to OS4, the less interest there is in other systems, including AROS, Anubis, or whatever your preference is. It's very telling that certain individuals never cease to find a negative slant with which to derail OS4.x and SAM 440 threads. Whatever your motivation, it's annoying to have the same old negative trash repeated over and over.

I still point to the fact, it's not officially being called an "Amiga" two or four.five or whatever, it's still a SAM440.

It doesn't need to have the word Amiga in the name. Amiga Inc. themselves said that they were interested in porting OS4.x to that system back when their business relationship with Hyperion hadn't turned sour.

That depends on your view of the lawsuit and the licensing agreement. The judge has allowed Hyperion to continue as if the original agreement was in place and it is legally questionable whether Amiga Inc. have any say over Amiga OS at all.

Original agreement spelled out what hardware could run OS4.  Harware was either existing or AmigaOne.  The hardware for the AmigaOne was designated by the other half of the Amiga partners, Eyetech. Has Eyetech designated SAM440 as an AmigaONE?

The definition of Target PPC hardware in the agreement did not require Eyetech's endorsement, permission or anything else. In fact, it didn't even say that Amiga Inc. had to label it as such. IIRC, it simply had to be marketed as an Amiga and sold with the OS.

The judge clearly stated he would allow continue under the current circumstances, which is before Hyperion went with SAM440, since it was about money and that could be corrected at a later date. So it's legally questionable if Hyperion and any retail outlets be held responsible for unlawful sales of Amiga Inc's IP.

Rejection of the injunction gave the right to proceed for now. Whether they get to keep the money is another issue.


Regardless, I'm done with this topic. If you wish to believe that nothing new can be an Amiga because Amiga Inc. haven't branded it due to the lawsuit, go ahead. However, I do hope that the next OS4.x or SAM 440 thread won't end back up on this topic, or other negative topics.

Hans

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Back on topic.

Amithony wrote:
Im starting to take an interest in Aros also. is it like a version of the OS that can run on any platform? (Ala Java-esque?) I havent seen it in action, but it is definitely something that I would like to try out.

AROS has a live CD for x86 so you can try it out for yourself pretty easily. Just download the CD image, burn it to CD, and boot from the CD. It's been a while since I tried AROS, but it does look like an Amiga system and is pretty fast and responsive. There's just not much that can be done with it due to lack of software. Now that it has a native compiler that can compile AROS itself, this may slowly change.

I stopped using classic Amigas when I moved and left my A1200 behind (too heavy to ship across the world). I did briefly use Amikit, but, next to Amiga OS 4.x, it's sluggish (at least on my 1.6 GHz turion 64). After using Amiga OS 4, I wouldn't switch back to OS 3.9, especially now that I have Amiga OS 4.1. It is way better than OS 3.9 is, even when it's heavily patched with extensions. The SAM clearly comes out on top in my view.

Hans